Hi, I've updated the ticket you created 
(http://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/14493) with some example.  Let us know if 
they correctly say the problems you had.  Also thanks also for the feedback 
on the devel guide - it's not "good" to hear, but it is good to know that 
even people who do know what vi and emacs are don't always find it easy to 
follow, so that we can keep trying to improve it.

- kcrisman

On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 3:13:12 PM UTC-4, Gary McConnell wrote:
>
> I am very keen to help - my problem is utter incompetence at following the 
> high-level instructions in the manual for developers. Also I am on the VM 
> and I cannot access the sage directories directly. Is there a way you could 
> send me a manual file that I could modify and send back to you? Sorry :( I 
> promise I will learn this one day ...
>
> the page I was referring to is
>
> http://www.sagemath.org/doc/reference/numerical/sage/numerical/optimize.html#sage.numerical.optimize.minimize
>
> Also there are presumably many functions to which this syntax difference 
> applies ... how can I find them?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 3:42 PM, P Purkayastha <ppu...@gmail.com<javascript:>
> > wrote:
>
>> On 04/17/2013 07:16 PM, Gary McConnell wrote:
>>
>>> Ah I see now that this is implicit in the docs example ... thank you ...
>>> should we perhaps point that out explicitly, since the very same
>>> function takes two rather different syntaxes? I am happy to write a
>>> small amendment to the page.
>>>
>>
>> You are welcome to improve the docs. If it was confusing to you it will 
>> be confusing to someone else too in the future. So, if you have some ideas 
>> how to fix/enhance the documentation, please go ahead and submit a patch. :)
>>
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