On Mar 21, 2009, at 2:01 AM, Craig Citro wrote:

>> I think that better way is to use maxima commands op, args, length,
>> atomp
>>
>
> I think that for objects which come from Maxima, this is the right
> thing to do. However, not all symbolic objects in Sage are wrappers
> for Maxima objects -- in the case of expressions using pynac, the code
> above actually moves them over to Maxima (via strings and pexpect) and
> then ask for their length there (which probably ultimately uses the
> commands you mention). This is less than desirable, hence my claim
> that it was a terrible way to calculate the length. :)
>
> I think a first step might be to introduce a __len__ method for
> symbolic objects, but then, I'm not always sure what it should return.

I would argue that this is a good reason not to implement it :).  
Something like nops would be trivial to implement though, and  
probably a good idea.

- Robert

> For instance, what's the "length" of sin(x^2-y+3)? I could see
> reasonable arguments for 1 or 4, or maybe even 3. Probably the
> semantics should be decided by the people who actually use the
> symbolics a lot, which isn't me ... which is why I haven't filed a
> trac ticket -- I have no idea what to suggest such a method should do.
>
> -cc
>
> >


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