On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> (BTW: Thanks for the *fast* response to my Circle question earlier!)
>
> This is a more general question: should Sage or other large systems
> use the Mac frameworks on Macs?  Or more generally, shared libraries
> on other systems/distros?
>
> I ask because I recently downloaded GRASS, a large GIS system.  There
> were three Mac versions.  I tried one of the all-in-on isolated
> packages and it failed.  I then asked the forum about what the
> tradeoffs were.
>
> The Framework based solution was the one I went with.  It gave me
> several advantages: the libraries used by GRASS were made generally
> available, rather than being hidden in the application.  In GIS this
> is quite a win.
>
> It also solved the incompatibilities between various versions of the
> python libraries, making it work better with the rest of the system.
> With Python this is a huge win .. as much as I like Python, it seems
> to have a great deal of difficulty with version management, both with
> the python version and the versions of the libraries.
>
> So specifically, if I install Sage, I'd like the packages underneath
> (numpy etc) to be available to the system running from a vanilla
> python command line or script.
>
> I may have this all wrong, being a newbie to python packaging .. but
> if I'm right, wouldn't it be best for Sage to be able to use the
> existing system, using shared libraries/Mac-Frameworks?
>
> I can guess the answer: its just too hard to manage compatibility
> problems!

Yes, it is too hard to manage until somebody steps up to do it.
With Debian Linux this has happened:

   http://groups.google.com/group/debian-sage

This has not happened for any other operating systems.  When
Sage has more users it will likely happen for other operating
systems, such as OS X, Windows, etc.  It's all a question of
resources.

 -- William

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