Yo ! > :-) You're right -- I guess after 10 years, I'm starting to seriously lose my > patience.
I believe that we should be allowed to lose our patience after 10 years. 6 months seems to be a lot already. > Gregory Bard did a lot this year in that direction though, with his book. > > > Paul Zimmerman did Paul Zimmerman "and 10 other guys" :-P > a huge amount in that direction with the French book he edited on Sage for > undergrad teaching (which was a huge project). Hmmmmm... Well, the thing is that I am not sure most university teachers care a lot about the amount of money spent on Maple/Mathematica licenses. Just trying to ask around how much it costs convinced me that nobody knew. We will not be convincing if we just come and tell them "come use Sage, it's almost like Maple !". If it does not make teaching easier for them, we will be in trouble. I forgot all I knew of Maple and Matlab. I believe that what we do best (besides having a 'real' programming language: Python) is create objects that represent the mathematical notions students use. What about beginning like that ? Looking at a math book, and make sure that all definitions correspond to some mathematical object, or a property of such an object ? Can we even define a function between two sets and ask "is_bijection/is_surjection", or "is_increasing" or "is_continuous" or "is_differentiable" ? Can we take the preimage of some set and see if it is connected ? Can we list saddle points ? Nathann On 01/12/2014, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 10:38 PM, Nathann Cohen <nathann.co...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> "1) Be friendly and patient." (sorry can't resist) > > :-) You're right -- I guess after 10 years, I'm starting to seriously > lose my patience. > >> I would say that most of us are only using Sage for research, and that >> we are not the kind of developpers who will fulfull your mission > > Good point -- I'm cross posting this to the sage-edu mailing list. > >> statement. We would all be happy if we can say one day that "Sage is >> the best software to work on <insert your research field here>". > > Unfortunately, Sage is still very, very far from being that in > arithmetic geometry (my field)... > >> You probably need people here who behave more as teachers than >> researchers. There is a wealth of math topics that none of us deals >> with, because we are so specialized. > > You're right -- we definitely need to encourage way more such people > to get involved with Sage. > >> How would you attract teachers here? How would you convince them that >> Sage is THE tool for teaching ? (no mention of research) > > Great questions! I could start by being more friendly and patient. > > Gregory Bard did a lot this year in that direction though, with his book. > > Paul Zimmerman did a huge amount in that direction with the French > book he edited on Sage for undergrad teaching (which was a huge > project). > > -- William > >> >> Nathann >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "sage-devel" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to sage-de...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > William Stein > Professor of Mathematics > University of Washington > http://wstein.org > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "sage-devel" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/sage-devel/x3h4m3LjWkI/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to sage-de...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-edu" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-edu+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-edu@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-edu. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
