On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 7:11 AM, kcrisman <kcris...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Some may say I should persevere until the students "snap out" of their
>> old passive way of doing things.  If I was sure this was the silver
>> bullet of math teaching, I would be confident enough to fight this
>> battle. I'm not sure this is the holy grail yet.
>>
>>
>
> This is certainly pedagogical, not really computer or math per se.
> But (at least in the US) nearly every math class is more or less
> formula-driven, so it can extremely intimidating for a student to have
> to do something like this - and then to add to it a non-click way of
> interacting with computers, where one has to precisely word what one
> wants the computer to do, adds an additional layer of difficulty.
>
> That doesn't mean you shouldn't try it!  But having students have to
> learn both math and to program (understanding lists and defining
> functions is definitely real programming to someone who has only used
> GUIs, especially ones that mimic "natural" motion) at the same time
> introduces a number of challenges, and certainly isn't a 'magic
> bullet'.  However, if you have the energy and support of
> administrators and parents to continue getting students to really
> interact and learn the material in this way, I think it could be quite
> successful - especially if you are able to get the same students for a
> couple years.  It takes a long time to unlearn how to learn math, if
> you know what I mean; even weak students are far more comfortable
> doing it the 'traditional' way (which is not necessarily a 'bad' way),
> because it's familiar, than trying something new which might help
> those particular students internalize it better.
>
> As a final suggestion, you might want to make the transition to the
> typing a little more gradually - perhaps using Sage @interacts that
> are completely click or drag, then ones where you have to type in

These are particularly good because the students who *want* to can
easily change the code for the interact, but the students for which
code looks like greek can just ignore the code and embrace the math
instead.

William

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