On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 1:46 AM, Volker Braun <vbraun.n...@gmail.com> wrote: > No, generally method names are verbs and class names are nouns. There is no > verb for "making a tuple" which is a bit of a deficiency in the English > language if anything; But all those linguistic details pale in comparison to > the glaring hole of caching mutable results. >
I strongly disagree with a method called "list" returning a tuple. (1) No matter your grammar argument about deficiencies in the technical language, it's a fact that the majority of English speakers is going to consider this confusing. (2) Tuples aren't really immutable either, in that if their entries are mutable, then they are overall mutable. I would rather not have a list method at all than to have it return a tuple. F.list() should return a new list each time just like list(F) does. -- William > > > > On Thursday, June 2, 2016 at 7:10:58 AM UTC+2, Kiran Kedlaya wrote: >> >> Eh? Shouldn't foo.list() return the same as list(foo) (a list) and >> foo.tuple() the same as tuple(foo) (a tuple)? >> >> On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 at 6:08:51 AM UTC-7, Volker Braun wrote: >>> >>> I've said it before: list() should always return a tuple. Yes I know its >>> called list, but its just an English thing that verb and noun can't be >>> distinguished. Certainly no excuse to cache mutable data structures. >>> >>> On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 at 2:35:46 PM UTC+2, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: >>>> >>>> On 2016-05-31 14:06, Johan S. R. Nielsen wrote: >>>> > And that the small >>>> > penalty in returning a *copy* of the list in each call to list() is a >>>> > small price to pay for mitigating user errors? >>>> No. Better use a immutable data structure instead of a list. >>>> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-devel" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- William (http://wstein.org) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
