esmaspäev, 15. veebruar 2016 14:32.00 UTC kirjutas Nathann Cohen:

    ...
    I care about average users, as I showed it repeatedly in the past. I
    just don't want to work for free for a guy who sells a software,
    that's all.
    ...


 I do not know exactly Your case, nor do I know the arrangement between You 
and the "Williams". As of the writing of this comment, I do not know 
anything about the "Williams" either, but I as a person, who is born in 
1981 Soviet Estonia and have seen the communist regime at my early 
childhood first hand have the following 3 observations about the comments 
in this thread:

A)
If You and the "William" are working in the same team so that he is Your 
boss and You get paid peanuts while he goes away with Big Money, then the 
right thing for You to do is ask for a compensation raise so that the 
monetary arrangement is such that You can forget the whole money issue and 
focus on the actual work. I suggest that You do not ask for a "salary 
increase" but ask for a percentage of the revenue, because in good times it 
pays You more and in bad times it will not financially wreck the "Williams" 
by forcing him to pay You considerable amount of money during a period, 
when the money is not coming in, sales are low. The percentage arrangement 
also helps to ease his mind about the thoughts that how is he ever going to 
pay You during low sales and removes the financial reason for him to pay 
You relatively low wage during high sales, because in case of constant wage 
he has to save up money during high sales to pay the constant wage during 
low sales. If he does not agree to the percentage based arrangement, then 
it's time to leave the team and the Sage project might have nothing to do 
with the relation between You and the "Williams".


B)
You are probably using Linux as free software to earn money Yourself by 
working at the University and other places. If the University is using Sage 
at its research and courses and is charging students for tuition fees, then 
clearly the University, including You, are earning money by using the free 
work of others. Therefore, You have lost the argument against "Williams".

C)
There is the notion that people, who want to earn money just join forces to 
reduce some of their costs to the point that new business opportunities 
come available to all parties. Back in the steam engines era a steam engine 
based machine, a tractor, a crops processor, etc. cost a lot of money. In 
Estonia it was common that farmers joined forces to buy a common machine 
and that machine was used by everyone. Clearly different farmers could sell 
the crops at different prices, depending on their marketing ability, but 
that was no reason for a farmer, who was worse at sales, to boycott the 
mutually beneficial effort. As a matter of fact at Hiiumaa

https://www.google.com/maps/@58.9008737,22.6498058,10z

an island, where I spent all my summers during my early childhood, it was 
common that people voluntarily helped each-other out at building/renovating 
houses and gathering hay for cows. The custom was that nobody paid any 
money for the work, nobody measured working hours or the amount of work 
done, but rather it was a hard but somewhat fun social event, where people 
came together, did the work and at the end of the day, depending on the 
length of the work day also during the day, the host served everyone who 
came to help him/her a fine meal. People just understood that to get 
anything done in the village, some times more workers are needed. That was 
NOT any kind of a communist thing, but just plain cooperation and 
understanding that to survive the economic situation people just needed to 
do something about their situation, either the locals help themselves and 
their neighbors or everyone is economically far worse off.

I see the same thing in open source software movement. The end client could 
not care less, what goes into the solution that he orders, but the parties, 
who need to deliver the software, have terrible costs at getting the 
totally non-sellable, technically complex, parts done. Hence the idea that 
what if we just reduce our costs by reusing each-others work at our 
products. With that in mind I have made the most extensive parts of my 
creations available under BSD-license, which allows everybody to use it 
even in closed source software without paying me anything. I find that this 
is my way to make my world a better place and if some people find my work 
to be that good that they can squeeze some extra money out of it, then the 
merrier, not to mention that it's such a fine advertisement to my 
consultancy services that I could never buy it even if I had tons of money.

So, I kind of have a mixed view about the posts in this thread.

Thank You for reading my comment.

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