esmaspäev, 15. veebruar 2016 14:32.00 UTC kirjutas Nathann Cohen: ... I care about average users, as I showed it repeatedly in the past. I just don't want to work for free for a guy who sells a software, that's all. ...
I do not know exactly Your case, nor do I know the arrangement between You and the "Williams". As of the writing of this comment, I do not know anything about the "Williams" either, but I as a person, who is born in 1981 Soviet Estonia and have seen the communist regime at my early childhood first hand have the following 3 observations about the comments in this thread: A) If You and the "William" are working in the same team so that he is Your boss and You get paid peanuts while he goes away with Big Money, then the right thing for You to do is ask for a compensation raise so that the monetary arrangement is such that You can forget the whole money issue and focus on the actual work. I suggest that You do not ask for a "salary increase" but ask for a percentage of the revenue, because in good times it pays You more and in bad times it will not financially wreck the "Williams" by forcing him to pay You considerable amount of money during a period, when the money is not coming in, sales are low. The percentage arrangement also helps to ease his mind about the thoughts that how is he ever going to pay You during low sales and removes the financial reason for him to pay You relatively low wage during high sales, because in case of constant wage he has to save up money during high sales to pay the constant wage during low sales. If he does not agree to the percentage based arrangement, then it's time to leave the team and the Sage project might have nothing to do with the relation between You and the "Williams". B) You are probably using Linux as free software to earn money Yourself by working at the University and other places. If the University is using Sage at its research and courses and is charging students for tuition fees, then clearly the University, including You, are earning money by using the free work of others. Therefore, You have lost the argument against "Williams". C) There is the notion that people, who want to earn money just join forces to reduce some of their costs to the point that new business opportunities come available to all parties. Back in the steam engines era a steam engine based machine, a tractor, a crops processor, etc. cost a lot of money. In Estonia it was common that farmers joined forces to buy a common machine and that machine was used by everyone. Clearly different farmers could sell the crops at different prices, depending on their marketing ability, but that was no reason for a farmer, who was worse at sales, to boycott the mutually beneficial effort. As a matter of fact at Hiiumaa https://www.google.com/maps/@58.9008737,22.6498058,10z an island, where I spent all my summers during my early childhood, it was common that people voluntarily helped each-other out at building/renovating houses and gathering hay for cows. The custom was that nobody paid any money for the work, nobody measured working hours or the amount of work done, but rather it was a hard but somewhat fun social event, where people came together, did the work and at the end of the day, depending on the length of the work day also during the day, the host served everyone who came to help him/her a fine meal. People just understood that to get anything done in the village, some times more workers are needed. That was NOT any kind of a communist thing, but just plain cooperation and understanding that to survive the economic situation people just needed to do something about their situation, either the locals help themselves and their neighbors or everyone is economically far worse off. I see the same thing in open source software movement. The end client could not care less, what goes into the solution that he orders, but the parties, who need to deliver the software, have terrible costs at getting the totally non-sellable, technically complex, parts done. Hence the idea that what if we just reduce our costs by reusing each-others work at our products. With that in mind I have made the most extensive parts of my creations available under BSD-license, which allows everybody to use it even in closed source software without paying me anything. I find that this is my way to make my world a better place and if some people find my work to be that good that they can squeeze some extra money out of it, then the merrier, not to mention that it's such a fine advertisement to my consultancy services that I could never buy it even if I had tons of money. So, I kind of have a mixed view about the posts in this thread. Thank You for reading my comment. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.