On Saturday, 30 August 2014 11:52:48 UTC+2, Harald Schilly wrote:
>
> That escalated quickly …
>
> > On Friday, August 29, 2014 12:46:14 PM UTC+2, Bill Hart wrote:
> > Why is this important? Because otherwise you would be taking European 
> money and using it to fund a project which originated in the US (I think it 
> fair to call it a US project). 
>
> Remember Nov 23rd, 2009 (!)? No?
>
> I posted here: "Sage is now an European project!!!" [1]
>
> "now" should be at the end I guess, sorry bad grammar, besides that what I 
> meant to say is that the european website activity grew higher than in the 
> US. In fact, my feeling is that the US is a really bad turf for Sage. I 
> know, website activity is not all, but it is a very good indicator about 
> who is in general interested in Sage. I hope we can agree on that.
>

Yes.
 

>
>
> Looking at the stats right now, what are the top ~20 cities for this year? 
> Any clue?
>
> New York, Paris, London, Madrid, Beijing, Los Angeles, Seoul, Seattle, 
> Moscow, Sydney, Bangalore, Bogota, Chicago, Zagreb, Mexico City, Toronto, 
> Melbourne, Chennai, Berlin, Mumbai, Shanghai, Seville, Barcelona, Montreal.
>
> I call *that* diversity. 
>

Yes.
 

>
> Finally, I don't see any reason why this is an issue at all. 
>

Me either.
 

> An open codebase implies internationality. Period. 
>

Exactly.
 

> There are no boundaries any more and any benefit for some is automatically 
> the benefit of everyone. I'm glad to be interested in things like maths, 
> programming and music, which do not have any inherent boundaries. Only, if 
> Sage would be something like an accounting software - and which would also 
> only work well for US businesses with their accounting rules - it would be 
> really questionable to invest in it from the European perspective.
>
> [1] https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sage-devel/SBSG6WXMW5c/nfKH8SO863UJ
>
> About the part with the underlying programming language
>
> > ... people maintaining the Singular interpreter, language,
> > kernel and libraries, ...
>
> It's a bit scary that you have to invest much into maintaining the core 
> execution part. That's a huge thing you have to drag around and since there 
> is no application of this core singular part, you do not get external 
> contributors. Compare this to using an existing popular programming 
> language, which also happens to have an interactive mode. You do not have 
> to really care about all this! It's just there. 
>

Well, you don't have to sell that particular idea to me. But the Singular 
project has numerous constraints, and they are working within those 
constraints. The main constraint is what their users and developers want.
 

> And with "just there", I also mean the things you didn't mention: 
> debugger, line-by-line benchmarks, memory profiler, ...
>

Yeah I know. They are missing out big time. But their aims are quite 
different to what yours or mine might be.

Bill.

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