Does anyone still use branches?  I used to always do a "sage -clone"
right after building a test version, but since using queues I never do
that.  If I need to test something which affects more than the Sage
library, notably a new version of an spkg, I just copy the entire
build using cp -r, and work on that.

John

On 9 February 2012 14:56, Keshav Kini <keshav.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 01:45, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:57 PM, Keshav Kini <keshav.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> My $0.02.
>>
>> I disagree with what you wrote above.  Perhaps you have a different
>> impression than me of how Mercurial is used, given the relative sizes
>> of our contributions to the Sage library.
>>
>> deep:hilbert wstein$ hg log|grep -i keshav|wc -l
>>       9
>> deep:hilbert wstein$ hg log|grep -i wstein|wc -l
>>    5368
>
> Zing! Indeed, I talk too much and walk too little :) Hopefully this
> will change as I gain more practical experience, and critically in the
> case of the Sage library, more knowledge of mathematics...
>
>> This strikes me as hyperbole: "We currently get zero benefit from
>> using a distributed version control system."
>
> OK, you're right, that's a bit of an exaggeration, even in the context
> of benefit to collaboration. Certainly there are many local benefits
> of using Mercurial over, say, Subversion for our source control, chief
> among which I would count the ability to quickly make clones, or to
> even ship a repository in our source distribution (and even our binary
> distribution!) at all. This latter is important since it allows users
> to revert code to a known good state, and just generally keep track of
> their own code, I guess.
>
> Even when collaborating with others, there are some advantages of
> using Mercurial over using nothing at all, such as the ability to
> easily create patches against released code without needing to keep a
> vanilla code directory alongside your sandbox directory... as is
> nevertheless a practice suggested, strangely enough, to new developers
> both by the developer's guide and tacitly by the fact that the concept
> of "Sage branches" (no relation to Mercurial "named branches" or git
> "topic branches") is so pervasive in Sage's scripts.
>
> I guess the main reason for "Sage branches" is to avoid needless
> Cython recompilations that happen when you push and pop patches on
> your queue a lot in one "Sage branch". I hope this can be fixed in the
> future, perhaps by building VCS revision names into files generated by
> Cython, and loading them using symlinks, or something like that, but
> in any case I doubt a new developer will be modifying code that will
> result in huge Cython passes... or is that another misconception?
>
> But in any case it is still true that we could be getting a lot more
> benefit out of distributed version control than we currently are, IMO,
> by ditching patches and using the history tree for live development
> rather than as a dead changelog.
>
>> That said, picking apart what you write would be counterproductive,
>> because I greatly appreciate that you are so motivated to help us with
>> transitioning to more efficient workflows, git, etc., and I sort of
>> want you to continue to believe what you wrote even if it isn't
>> technically 100% true. :-).
>
> I would like to avoid being a mindless zealot if at all possible :)
> But I'll defer to your judgment on the matter, haha.
>
> -Keshav
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