On Nov 12, 4:46 pm, "Dr. David Kirkby" <david.kir...@onetel.net>
wrote:
> On 11/12/10 04:13 PM, rjf wrote:
>
> > It seems to me that being free and open source, the first couple of
> > points,
> > hardly describes the salient features of Sage, simply because there
> > are
> > tens of thousands of other programs, including many many losers,
> > which are also free and open source.  It doesn't grab me.
> > Wouldn't you describe GIMP, as an image processing
> > program similar to photoshop, and afterward say it was free?
>
> I would agree with you. I know I've seen some surveys where individuals have
> been asked what's the most important advantage of open-source.
>
> Here's one, titled "Key Advantage of Open Source is Not Cost Savings"
>
> http://www.computereconomics.com/article.cfm?id=1043
>
> There is shows "less dependence on vendors" as the most cited advantage. I've
> seen other surveys too, and cost is not usually the #1 factor.
>
> I suspect a large number of Sage developers get effectively free access to
> Mathematica, MATLAB etc, as there are site licenses at their uni.
>
> > It seems to me the obvious first point for "Why Sage"  is
> > that Sage provides access to mathematical software.
>
> Well, there are lots of mathematical software too.
>
> > (I also find the mention that it runs on Python to be [probably
> > unintentionally]
> > deceptive since, of the hundreds of packages included, many (most?)
> > are not
> > running on Python, and thus a pythoner who expects to see open source
> > python for them will be disappointed.)
>
> I think you have a big bias against python and towards lisp. This comes out 
> in a
> lot of what you say. I would think users of Mathematica consider they write in
> Mathematica, though the underlying code is probably C, C++, perhaps even Lisp 
> in
> many cases.

Sage does *not* "run on Python".

It would be fair to state that the user language is derived from
Python.

>
> When people buy cars, the comfort, economy, look, performance, how nice it is 
> to
> drive, are likely to be important to them. I don't suppose 99% care if the
> engine block is made from steel aluminum. People are usually more interstellar
> in the interface they are presented with.
>
> I've yet to see a single complaint from a user that package X is written in C
> and not in Python.
>

Sage doesn't run on Windows, so I beg to differ.

Bill.

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