On Jun 7, 2010, at 6:12 AM, Florent Hivert wrote:

     Hi there,

I've question concerning handling of hash value vs portability. Is sage
developer guide manual one can read:

Here is the definition of __hash__ from the Python reference manual.

       Called for the key object for dictionary operations, and by the
built-in function hash(). Should return a 32-bit integer usable as a
       hash value for dictionary operations.

However with ipython (on a 64 bits machine):

   In [1]: hash(None)
   Out[1]: 140504985179472

which definitely does looks like a 32 bit value. Moreover, it seem that in python ref man, [2], the sentence about 32-bits has been removed. So I have
two questions:

1. I think we should update the devguide, or is there something I don't get ?

No, we should update the developers guide. Despite this sentence, the (c) return type of "hash" has been a long since Python 2.3 at least, so I think this wasn't ever correct for 64-bit long machines. (What was required is that it fit into a Python int.)

2. I'm writing a Cython class which caches the hash value. Which type should I use for the attribute ? int doesn't work since when trying to store the
  hash of None in an int I get

     OverflowError: value too large to convert to int

Is long ok and portable (it is was is used in a few place in sage) ? Should
  we write it in the doc ?

Yes, we should be using C longs here. Under the hood

Python int = C long != C int
Python float = C double  != C float

and Python longs have no (native) C equivalent.

- Robert

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