On Jan 8, 10:16 am, "Conrad Meyer" <konrad.me...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2009/1/8 mabshoff <mabsh...@googlemail.com>:
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Hi Conrad,
> Perhaps it's time to upgrade to something that scales better than moinmoin?
>
> > Well, this is not a scalability issue, but a bug. And there is more at
> > play here than scalability, i.e. mediawiki is way more work to set up
> > and keep up to date security wise.
>
> > Just in case: What do you have in mind?
>
> > Cheers,
>
> > Michael
>
> All the same, MoinMoin scales *horribly*.
Sure, no secret there. But we are getting a couple thousand hits a day
on the wiki on a busy day, so scalability is not really a problem.
Once we are closer to achieving world domination I guess we would need
to reevaluate our options :)
> I didn't have a specific
> replacement in mind, though over at Fedora we recently transitioned
> from MoinMoin to Mediawiki specifically because MoinMoin was becoming
> too slow. If you can get MoinMoin to use a database it might not be so
> bad but last I heard it only supports flat files for storage.
Sure, but the fact that moinmoin just works without the need for any
configuration of a sql database is a killer feature since it might not
be a problem for some people on this list to set up mysql and so on
properly, but many, many Sage users will not even know what a sql db
is and not even care enough to attempt to find out what it is. They
just want something that works and so far for 100% of the Sage users
it seems that moinmoin scales well enough :). One example: It has
emerged from the AMS 2009 meeting that the installation of the VMWare
player is a hurdle many people will not get over, so that is a barrier
for the adoption of Sage. While you and me are probably snickering a
little since this is "trivial" most people want to use software, not
learn how to install it and so on.
Not that you ever claimed anything like this, but it is kind of like
gear heads talking about cars: "If I get this carburator/shocks/
$INSERT_CAR_PART installed it would be so much better to drive $FOO/
get much better fuel efficiency" (note that I don't have any clue
about cars), but the vast majority of people use their car to get from
point A to B and if the warning lights go on they go to a garage to
make somebody else deal with it. But if they had to do difficult tasks
to even get a particular brand of car started many of those people
would just chose another brand. With Sage we have to get to the same
utility level as this and the VMWare image is a problem now, just like
using 7zip instead of zip to compress the VMWare image proved a major
issue with non-technical users in the past. So even though the zip
archive was roughly 60% larger than the 7zip one we switched back to
zip. And back then I thought that this was a bad move and we should
not cater to users who cannot read the simple README.txt pointing out
where to download 7zip and so on, but now I see the error of my
ways :)
> Regards,
> --
> Conrad
Cheers,
Michael
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