On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 2:34 AM, Roman Pearce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  On Apr 29, 11:57 pm, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > I'm giving a plenary talk at ISSAC in Linz, Austria this summer.  I'm 
> supposed
>  > to write a 2-page "abstract/paper" for the proceedings.  I just wrote 
> something:
>  >    http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/tmp/abstract.pdf
>
>  I think what you wrote is a pretty good introduction to what Sage is,
>  but it is a little long on the open source philosophy (which will turn
>  some people off) and it leaves out interesting details.

The "open source philosophy" is the entire reason for the
existence of Sage.

> The audience
>  will be very interested in why Sage might succeed, when previous open
>  source efforts have failed to attract the large audience of general
>  purpose users and developers.  I suggest the following (some of which
>  you mentioned):
>
>  1) python is an easy and widely used high level language which is
>  particularly well suited for interfacing different programs
>  2) collecting all the existing open source programs has allowed Sage
>  to quickly reach "critical mass", ie: it is very usable right now
>  3) new and interesting things are being brought into Sage (JMol, user
>  interface improvements, etc)
>  4) new mathematical algorithms and libraries are being developed for
>  Sage (FLINT, Linear algebra, rapid development with Cython, etc)
>  5) researchers are using Sage right now (list contributors and areas,
>  and papers if possible)
>  6) Sage is open source
>

Thanks, this is a great list.

>  I think if you start with the technical merits you can easily win over
>  the audience.  These people have heard all kinds of sales pitches, and
>  open source looks like just another crusade.  They are all uniformly
>  interested in computing things, and in software they can use for their
>  work.  Sage has a very strong case on those grounds, please (I'm
>  begging you) stick to it :)

You seem to be anti-open source in your own work,
which is what *really* matters to you.  It's my understanding
that you've written a very interesting library in computer
algebra and it is closed source.   Correct me if I'm wrong,
but I have the impression you generally don't see the value
in *open source* mathematical software (per se), and
are mainly interested in Sage only for the technically
interesting successes it has had.

> BTW, asking for contributors is the surest way to get zero
> contributors.

I'm really glad I didn't listen to you over the last three years.

William

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