The documentation was changed in the 10.7 release cycle but the published docs are still for 10.6.
In the updated docs: - https://doc-develop--sagemath.netlify.app/html/en/developer/walkthrough uses conda to setup the dev env for new developers - https://doc-develop--sagemath.netlify.app/html/en/installation/meson explains how to build sagelib on top of conda (or system packages on certain systems But you are right, it's probably also a good idea to add a link on https://doc-develop--sagemath.netlify.app/html/en/installation/source to conda. I'll do this later today. On Saturday, September 13, 2025 at 12:20:38 AM UTC+8 Volker Braun wrote: > > BTW, Conda is already the recommended approach for compiling from > source. > > Is it? I mean thats great but I'm not aware of it > > Our documentation > https://doc.sagemath.org/html/en/installation/source.html curiously only > explains how to *NOT* use conda in case you happen to be in an activated > conda environment. > > I'm not aware of any documentation with a conda one-liner that creates an > environment with the base dependencies, but we do have separate one-liners > for five different linux distributions and macOS homebrew > > I'm seeing a lot of build failues when testing tickets, but never have I > seen one that would helpfully mention which conda package to install. > > On Friday, September 12, 2025 at 2:16:45 AM UTC+2 tobia...@gmx.de wrote: > >> It's important to have the overall situation for this in mind: >> - Dima is the main maintainer nowadays for updating packages in >> sage-the-distro. One should perhaps say the only maintainer. In fact, he >> has trouble to even find reviewers for package update PRs. >> - The maintenance burden is way to high: according to >> https://repology.org/repository/sagemath_develop , 200, or 60%, of the >> packages in sage-the-distro are outdated. >> >> So if Dima thinks it's too much overhead to update a certain dependency >> (in the case of boost, we are carrying a 9 year old version), then we >> should follow that judgment - even if it means the install experience for a >> certain group of people might be slightly worse. The alternative is a >> completely unusable and unmaintained sage-the-distro in the future. Unless >> of course there are now more people that view this as a call to contribute >> to the updates. >> >> BTW, Conda is already the recommended approach for compiling from source. >> >> >> >> On Friday, September 12, 2025 at 6:48:47 AM UTC+8 Volker Braun wrote: >> >>> This is to gather some feedback about future requirements for installing >>> Sage. https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/40689 wants to make >>> installing boost the user's responsibility to install, which is easy enough >>> on linux (unless you are not root) and what I would have thought way past >>> the frustration tolerance of a casual user on macOS if they don't already >>> use some third-party package manager. >>> >>> In that case (plain macOS) you basically have to follow the instructions >>> on >>> https://www.boost.org/doc/user-guide/getting-started.html#_download_boost >>> to compile & install boost by hand. >>> >>> I personally don't use macOS unless I absolutely have to, so I don't >>> really have any skin in the game here. So if you use a mac and have some >>> thoughts about installing boost, this is your thread ;) >>> >>> PS: On a meta-level there are definitely advantages to let somebody else >>> provide the basic environment. But imho we should then start with a >>> specific and reproducable basic environment that you can easily install >>> (and fwiw conda is the only contender here that does not require root and >>> is cross-platform). And not start by making that switch implicitly as a >>> side effect of "move boost to prereqs, and by the way here are three >>> different ways to get boost" >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/f25c85b7-3492-4df2-bd15-16c4b9c07b13n%40googlegroups.com.
