I don't understand this PR.  The diagram you link to indicates that 
sagemath-categories is almost at the bottom, whereas sagemath-symbolics is 
almost at the top of the hierarchy that you propose.  However, the PR 
includes a file

src/sage/calculus/all__sagemath_categories.py 
<https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/36380/files/ff660fc58ff941b259204d759e9a5157fcec32a7#diff-f852c2f1e2e357e9b8163b0e9b13fcba3c048b868e411896e748ec81e3c6ec24>
from sage.calculus.functional import diff, derivative, expand, simplify, 
taylor

and many similar files, e.g. src/sage/combinat/all__sagemath_categories.py, 
src/sage/groups/all__sagemath_groups.py, importing things like 
from sage.groups.generic import (discrete_log, discrete_log_rho, 
discrete_log_lambda, linear_relation, multiple, multiples, 
order_from_multiple)

All of these are then imported by src/sage/all__sagemath_categories.py

I don't think that I understand the purpose of sagemath_categories.

Martin
On Friday 27 September 2024 at 22:38:44 UTC+2 Matthias Koeppe wrote:

> On Friday, September 27, 2024 at 1:02:50 PM UTC-7 Dima Pasechnik wrote:
>
> This PR bundles together totally unrelated things.
>
>
> No, it does not.
>  
>
> What do sagemath-objects and sagemath-categories have to do with demoting 
> brial to optional?
>
>
> *sagemath-objects* and *sagemath-categories *are basic distributions that 
> are at the bottom of the dependency graph (see diagram in 
> https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/35095).
>
> Now the distribution *sagemath-brial* depends on a larger set of 
> extension modules than what is currently shipped in *sagemath-objects* 
> and *sagemath-categories. *(What is currently shipped is a set of modules 
> that was ready as of Sage 9.6; 
> https://github.com/sagemath/sage/issues/29865).
>
> Hence I have set the scope of this PR to enlarge *sagemath-objects* and 
> *sagemath-categories* to be more useful. This includes but is not limited 
> to be suitable as a build dependency for *sagemath-brial*.
>
>

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