-1 If something has been done that should be undone, I very much trust Volker to take care of it when he can, without the need for endless time-consuming discussions and votes.
Best, Guillermo On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 at 17:54, David Roe <roed.m...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > Sage has had a review process for over 15 years, but a combination of > recent changes has led to the merging of a PR into sage-10.4.beta3 of a > change (#36964 <https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/36964>) that I > believe should not (yet) have been merged. In #37796 > <https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/37796> I created a PR to revert > the change, which was opposed by the author of the original change. After > some > voting > <https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/37796#issuecomment-2053675535> > using the disputed PR policy > <https://groups.google.com/g/sage-devel/c/IgBYUJl33SQ/m/kvmOlVb1AQAJ>, > Matthias has asked > <https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/37796#issuecomment-2061926393> for > a vote on sage-devel about this reversion, in accordance with the section > that "This process is intended as a lower-intensity method for resolving > disagreements, and full votes on sage-devel override the process described > below." I am therefore asking you to vote (+1 means merge #37796 > <https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/37796> in order to revert #36964 > <https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/36964>). > > First, here are the relevant parts of the history of this particular > change: > > - #36964 <https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/36964> was created on > December 25 by Matthias, positively reviewed > <https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/36964#pullrequestreview-1796972215> > by Kwankyu on Decemebr 27, disputed, received enough votes > <https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/36964#issuecomment-2041646521> to > get a positive review on April 7, and was merged > <https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/36964#issuecomment-2053520605> by > Volker on April 12. It had dependencies: #37667, > <https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/37667>#36951 > <https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/36951>, and #36676 > <https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/36676>. While #37667 > <https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/37667> had positive review and was > already been merged, the other two were still disputed: they had received > an initial positive review but others objected and discussion was ongoing. > > - #37667 <https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/37667> is not disputed. > > - #36951 <https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/36951> was created on > December 23 by Matthias, positively reviewed > <https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/36951#pullrequestreview-1799928234> > by Kwankyu on January 1, disputed, received enough votes > <https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/36951#issuecomment-2041636273> > (3-1) to change to positive review on April 7, had a clarification to bring > back to (3-2) and remove positive review, then was included in the merge of > #36964 <https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/36964>. On April 13, John > Palmieri voted in favor > <https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/36951#issuecomment-2053686090>, so > the current vote stands at 4-2, enough for the 2-1 threshold in order to > get positive review under the disputed voting process. > > - #36676 <https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/36676> was created on > November 8 by Matthias, positively reviewed > <https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/36676#issuecomment-1813306867> by > John Palmieri on November 15, and then disputed. The most recent count was > 6-4 > in favor > <https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/36676#issuecomment-2050362637> > (falling short of the 2-1 ratio needed under the disputed voting process); > since then I voted > <https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/36676#issuecomment-2050531437> in > favor, it was included in the merge of #36964 > <https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/36964>, and then Martin voted > against. > > At issue is the PR #36676 <https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/36676>, > where discussion was still ongoing when #36964 > <https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/36964> was merged. The reversion > of this PR proposed is purely for process reasons (I voted in favor of > #36676 <https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/36676> before all this > happened!). The 5 Sage developers opposed to #36676 > <https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/36676> deserve to have our > processes followed. What went wrong? > > I think what happened resulted from a combination of the new disputed > voting process, mismatched expectations around dependencies after the move > to github, and Volker's release management scripts. Several developers > privately expressed concern prior to this merge about exactly this outcome, > and I reassured them that dependencies would be taken into account. > Unfortunately, dependencies are now (unlike in trac) just a text section of > the PR comment, and the release scripts only see the label. > > There are lots of things to discuss around this chain of events. I ask > that everyone keep this thread focused on whether to merge #37796 > <https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/37796> in order to revert #36964 > <https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/36964>. Some other topics, and > places I suggest for discussing them: > - Ways to improve or eliminate the disputed voting process: I suggest > Dima's recent thread > <https://groups.google.com/g/sage-devel/c/1eLrTCa7tVA>. > - The merits of #36676 <https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/36676>: I > suggest discussing this either in the comments on that PR, or starting a > new sage-devel topic if you have broader changes to raise about sage > development. > - Broader discussion of technical differences or philosophy: start a new > thread. > > I suggest a deadline of Sunday April 21 at 23:59 US/Pacific for this vote. > > Finally, many of these PRs have been plagued by conflict and inappropriate > language. Please, keep comments friendly in this discussion. > David > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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