On 27 February 2024 20:44:50 GMT, John H Palmieri <jhpalmier...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>Sentences like "At the moment you are actively breaking down the precious
>project fabric, all in the name of you having your way" are personal
>attacks. Please stop.
Blocking on GitHub members of the project is not a personal attack?
Of course it is.
>
>On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 12:36:44 PM UTC-8 Dima Pasechnik wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 27 February 2024 19:37:31 GMT, Matthias Koeppe <matthia...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 10:50:55 AM UTC-8 John H Palmieri wrote:
>> >
>> >A pretty safe second choice would be to have "make download" also
>> download
>> >the relevant files for pip installation and tell pip where to find them.
>> If
>> >we implemented this second choice [...]
>> >
>> >
>> >The problem is that such tooling, even if "trivial", would need to be
>> >implemented, tested, and maintained as well. And typically this just does
>> >not work when there is no developer who is actually interested in using
>> it.
>>
>> It is a largely artificially invented, by you, problem, to shoot my
>> proposal down. Besides, these tools are trivial to build and maintain, much
>> easier than your ever growing and breaking maze of packages we don't even
>> need to vendor.
>>
>> At the moment you are actively breaking down the precious project fabric,
>> all in the name of you having your way:
>>
>> you blocked me (without bothering yo even tell me) and perhaps other
>> developers on GitHub, meaning that you effectively want to shut me up.
>> (Well, I had no other choice but to block you too, as a countermeasure; I
>> installed this block about 12:00 GMT, today.)
>>
>> Of course it's easy to skip this message. But tomorrow it might be you who
>> Matthias might block, for disagreements with him.
>> Why is this tolerated? This is a naked attempt to shut down the opposition.
>>
>>
>> >
>> >We are better off with improving the tooling that we already know *will*
>> >continue to be used: Namely the tooling for creating and maintaining our
>> >metadata in build/pkgs.
>>
>> Or it will be discarded as useless, because doing things the way projects
>> like scipy do is better.
>>
>> Your package tooling is makework, repeating with worse tools what already
>> is done by Conda, Homebrew, Linux distros, etc. We are mainly a maths
>> project, not a distro project. Let us stay this way, and actually do more
>> maths and less distro-like stuff.
>>
>> Dima
>>
>>
>> > Issues such as:
>> >- https://github.com/sagemath/sage/issues/36356,
>> >- https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/37322,
>> >- https://github.com/sagemath/sage/issues/37323,
>> >- https://github.com/sagemath/sage/issues/37314
>> >
>>
>
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