>From my perspective, throughout these discussions there is a strong
push against slimming Sage down by removing these unneeded packages
coming from Matthias, often coupled with responses by him (on
trac/github) I consider rude and disrespectful of other's opinions.

See e.g. https://github.com/sagemath/sage/issues/32532
You can see how I am subjected to gaslighting by Matthias there.
(Let's do this/no, stop, don't/just drop this/-1 (without
explaining/... coming up in cycles).
Description of this issues/32532 was edited in a questionable way by
Matthias recently.




On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 7:43 AM Matthias Koeppe
<matthiaskoe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Here's a quick overview on the discussions on this topic since 2021.
>
> (I collected most of this recently in the Issue description of 
> https://github.com/sagemath/sage/issues/32532).
>
> sage-devel: proposal - remove gcc, gfortran, python building/spkgs (June 2021)
>
> Resulted in implementing configure: Change defaults to 
> --with-system-gcc=force, defer error exits after system package info is shown 
> #32060
> No clear support for removing anything without replacement.
> Some talk about conda, no action.
>
> sage-devel: #32532 - removing gcc and gfortran spkgs (September 2021)
>
> No clear support for anything.
> Some talk about conda, no action.
>
> sage-devel: Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released (Apr 2023) (TW: abusive 
> comments)
>
> sage-devel: What was/is/will be the purpose of maintaining the Sage 
> distribution? (Apr 2023)
>
> Again talk about conda
> Resulted in opening PR Install some dummy and optional packages using 
> conda-forge (micromamba) #35585; no reaction
>
> sage-devel: Policy for disputed PRs: discussion (Nov 2023).
>
> CI Linux: Replace use of pkill #36726 (Nov–Dec 2023) (TW: abusive comments)
>
>
> Pointers to related discussions and facts:
>
> On the git repository structure (monorepo / multirepo): 
> https://groups.google.com/g/sage-devel/c/AaKxoNQAWMg/m/uY1rW5n0BQAJ (October 
> 2021), https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/36777 (December 2023).
>
> On what systems we support building Sage from source: 
> https://github.com/sagemath/sage/issues/32074
>
> What versions of Python we are supporting; including a discussion of 
> maintenance costs: 
> https://github.com/sagemath/sage/wiki/NEP-29:-Python-version-strategy
>
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