On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 10:49:49 AM UTC+9 Kwankyu Lee wrote:

The Sage distribution will continue to exist. There will be no user-visible 
change coming from the modularization project for the users of the Sage 
distribution.


That is simply not true right now. The # optional sage.* doctests as a 
user-visible change.


Matthias means that all pieces (the sage library and external packages that 
the sage library depends on) are all there and available to a sage user 
after the modularization project.


It depends on what you mean by "there" because it is not been explained I 
think how a user should install and work with Sage afterwards. I agree it 
is clearly all available, but depending on how we tell a user to install, 
there could very well be changes.
 

That is why you (and most of us) didn't notice and care much about the 
modularization project up to now, until those massive `# optional ...` tags 
start to appear in the code you care about.


I've been following along with different pieces to see how it's going. You 
are right, in part I am bringing this up now because it is is affecting 
code I care about (and regularly use to promote Sage), but it is also 
starting to come with policy implications due to its scale that are not 
easy to revert.


I don't think we can dismiss `# optional ...` tags from the sage library if 
we embrace the modularization efforts of the sage library, as Matthias is 
trying to convince us. It is more productive to find ways to do it in more 
pleasing way.

I concur.

Best,
Travis

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