You do realise that those files under sage/build/pkgs and sage/pkgs are
actually symlinks to a single instance?
> On 15/04/2022, at 12:25, John H Palmieri <jhpalmier...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I think your search is following some symbolic links: only three of these
> instances are under version control (git):
>
> % git grep 'resolvelinks()'
> sage:resolvelinks() {
> src/bin/sage:resolvelinks() {
> src/bin/sage-env:resolvelinks() {
>
> The last one should probably have a comment in line with the first two.
>
>
> On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 4:55:08 PM UTC-7 hohoa...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> <quote>
> Personally, I would rather see the time spent investigating whether or
> not we truly need the symlink-free path in the instances where
> resolvelinks() is currently used. I would guess not -- that there is a
> better solution to whatever other problem prompted the resolvelinks()
> function. But I don't know what that problem was. And to remove the
> function and "see what happens" would be committing yourself to
> answering bug reports from weird sage installs for the next twelve
> months.
> </quote>
>
> Now your concern is truly appreciated.
>
> "Find in File" in "Visual Studio Code" reveals duplications in 24 files in
> 13 directories (please find the results appended below)
>
> It is amazing that SageMath is still maintainable up to now, release 9.6
> Maybe 'resolvelinks' is just the tip of an iceberg (something more important
> is missing?)
>
> Best wishes,
>
> phiho
>
> # Query: resolvelinks()
> # ContextLines: 1
>
> 24 results - 24 files
>
> sage/sage:
> 32 # meantime however the two should be kept synchronized.
> 33: resolvelinks() {
> 34 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no starting
> slash)
>
> sage/build/pkgs/sagelib/src/bin/sage:
> 4 # the top-level "sage" script. Please keep them synchronized.
> 5: resolvelinks() {
> 6 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no starting
> slash)
>
> sage/build/pkgs/sagelib/src/bin/sage-env:
> 35 #
> 36: resolvelinks() {
> 37 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no starting
> slash)
>
> sage/build/pkgs/sagemath_categories/src/bin/sage:
> 4 # the top-level "sage" script. Please keep them synchronized.
> 5: resolvelinks() {
> 6 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no starting
> slash)
>
> sage/build/pkgs/sagemath_categories/src/bin/sage-env:
> 35 #
> 36: resolvelinks() {
> 37 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no starting
> slash)
>
> sage/build/pkgs/sagemath_objects/src/bin/sage:
> 4 # the top-level "sage" script. Please keep them synchronized.
> 5: resolvelinks() {
> 6 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no starting
> slash)
>
> sage/build/pkgs/sagemath_objects/src/bin/sage-env:
> 35 #
> 36: resolvelinks() {
> 37 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no starting
> slash)
>
> sage/pkgs/sage-conf_pypi/sage_root/build/pkgs/sagelib/src/bin/sage:
> 4 # the top-level "sage" script. Please keep them synchronized.
> 5: resolvelinks() {
> 6 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no starting
> slash)
>
> sage/pkgs/sage-conf_pypi/sage_root/build/pkgs/sagelib/src/bin/sage-env:
> 35 #
> 36: resolvelinks() {
> 37 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no starting
> slash)
>
> sage/pkgs/sage-conf_pypi/sage_root/build/pkgs/sagelib/src/build/scripts-3.10/sage:
> 4 # the top-level "sage" script. Please keep them synchronized.
> 5: resolvelinks() {
> 6 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no starting
> slash)
>
> sage/pkgs/sage-conf_pypi/sage_root/build/pkgs/sagelib/src/build/scripts-3.10/sage-env:
> 35 #
> 36: resolvelinks() {
> 37 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no starting
> slash)
>
> sage/pkgs/sage-conf_pypi/sage_root/build/pkgs/sagemath_categories/src/bin/sage:
> 4 # the top-level "sage" script. Please keep them synchronized.
> 5: resolvelinks() {
> 6 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no starting
> slash)
>
> sage/pkgs/sage-conf_pypi/sage_root/build/pkgs/sagemath_categories/src/bin/sage-env:
> 35 #
> 36: resolvelinks() {
> 37 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no starting
> slash)
>
> sage/pkgs/sage-conf_pypi/sage_root/build/pkgs/sagemath_objects/src/bin/sage:
> 4 # the top-level "sage" script. Please keep them synchronized.
> 5: resolvelinks() {
> 6 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no starting
> slash)
>
> sage/pkgs/sage-conf_pypi/sage_root/build/pkgs/sagemath_objects/src/bin/sage-env:
> 35 #
> 36: resolvelinks() {
> 37 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no starting
> slash)
>
> sage/pkgs/sage-conf_pypi/sage_root/src/bin/sage-env:
> 35 #
> 36: resolvelinks() {
> 37 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no starting
> slash)
>
> sage/pkgs/sagemath-categories/bin/sage:
> 4 # the top-level "sage" script. Please keep them synchronized.
> 5: resolvelinks() {
> 6 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no starting
> slash)
>
> sage/pkgs/sagemath-categories/bin/sage-env:
> 35 #
> 36: resolvelinks() {
> 37 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no starting
> slash)
>
> sage/pkgs/sagemath-objects/bin/sage:
> 4 # the top-level "sage" script. Please keep them synchronized.
> 5: resolvelinks() {
> 6 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no starting
> slash)
>
> sage/pkgs/sagemath-objects/bin/sage-env:
> 35 #
> 36: resolvelinks() {
> 37 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no starting
> slash)
>
> sage/pkgs/sagemath-standard/bin/sage:
> 4 # the top-level "sage" script. Please keep them synchronized.
> 5: resolvelinks() {
> 6 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no starting
> slash)
>
> sage/pkgs/sagemath-standard/bin/sage-env:
> 35 #
> 36: resolvelinks() {
> 37 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no starting
> slash)
>
> sage/src/bin/sage:
> 4 # the top-level "sage" script. Please keep them synchronized.
> 5: resolvelinks() {
> 6 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no starting
> slash)
>
> sage/src/bin/sage-env:
> 35 #
> 36: resolvelinks() {
> 37 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no starting
> slash)
>
> # Query: resolvelinks
> # ContextLines: 1
>
> 36 results - 24 files
>
> sage/sage:
> 110 # resolved
> 111: SAGE_ROOT=`resolvelinks "$0"` || \
> 112 SAGE_ROOT="$0"
>
> sage/build/pkgs/sagelib/src/bin/sage:
> 80 # a symlink (Trac #30888).
> 81: SELF=$(resolvelinks "${0}")
> 82
>
> sage/build/pkgs/sagelib/src/bin/sage-env:
> 338 # non-existing directory.
> 339: DOT_SAGE=`resolvelinks "$HOME/.sage"`
> 340
>
> 630 # The activate script needs to be sourced using its actual
> path.
> 631: nodeenv_activate=`resolvelinks "$nodeenv_activate"`
> 632
>
> sage/build/pkgs/sagemath_categories/src/bin/sage:
> 80 # a symlink (Trac #30888).
> 81: SELF=$(resolvelinks "${0}")
> 82
>
> sage/build/pkgs/sagemath_categories/src/bin/sage-env:
> 338 # non-existing directory.
> 339: DOT_SAGE=`resolvelinks "$HOME/.sage"`
> 340
>
> 630 # The activate script needs to be sourced using its actual
> path.
> 631: nodeenv_activate=`resolvelinks "$nodeenv_activate"`
> 632
>
> sage/build/pkgs/sagemath_objects/src/bin/sage:
> 80 # a symlink (Trac #30888).
> 81: SELF=$(resolvelinks "${0}")
> 82
>
> sage/build/pkgs/sagemath_objects/src/bin/sage-env:
> 338 # non-existing directory.
> 339: DOT_SAGE=`resolvelinks "$HOME/.sage"`
> 340
>
> 630 # The activate script needs to be sourced using its actual
> path.
> 631: nodeenv_activate=`resolvelinks "$nodeenv_activate"`
> 632
>
> sage/pkgs/sage-conf_pypi/sage_root/build/pkgs/sagelib/src/bin/sage:
> 80 # a symlink (Trac #30888).
> 81: SELF=$(resolvelinks "${0}")
> 82
>
> sage/pkgs/sage-conf_pypi/sage_root/build/pkgs/sagelib/src/bin/sage-env:
> 338 # non-existing directory.
> 339: DOT_SAGE=`resolvelinks "$HOME/.sage"`
> 340
>
> 630 # The activate script needs to be sourced using its actual
> path.
> 631: nodeenv_activate=`resolvelinks "$nodeenv_activate"`
> 632
>
> sage/pkgs/sage-conf_pypi/sage_root/build/pkgs/sagelib/src/build/scripts-3.10/sage:
> 80 # a symlink (Trac #30888).
> 81: SELF=$(resolvelinks "${0}")
> 82
>
> sage/pkgs/sage-conf_pypi/sage_root/build/pkgs/sagelib/src/build/scripts-3.10/sage-env:
> 338 # non-existing directory.
> 339: DOT_SAGE=`resolvelinks "$HOME/.sage"`
> 340
>
> 630 # The activate script needs to be sourced using its actual
> path.
> 631: nodeenv_activate=`resolvelinks "$nodeenv_activate"`
> 632
>
> sage/pkgs/sage-conf_pypi/sage_root/build/pkgs/sagemath_categories/src/bin/sage:
> 80 # a symlink (Trac #30888).
> 81: SELF=$(resolvelinks "${0}")
> 82
>
> sage/pkgs/sage-conf_pypi/sage_root/build/pkgs/sagemath_categories/src/bin/sage-env:
> 338 # non-existing directory.
> 339: DOT_SAGE=`resolvelinks "$HOME/.sage"`
> 340
>
> 630 # The activate script needs to be sourced using its actual
> path.
> 631: nodeenv_activate=`resolvelinks "$nodeenv_activate"`
> 632
>
> sage/pkgs/sage-conf_pypi/sage_root/build/pkgs/sagemath_objects/src/bin/sage:
> 80 # a symlink (Trac #30888).
> 81: SELF=$(resolvelinks "${0}")
> 82
>
> sage/pkgs/sage-conf_pypi/sage_root/build/pkgs/sagemath_objects/src/bin/sage-env:
> 338 # non-existing directory.
> 339: DOT_SAGE=`resolvelinks "$HOME/.sage"`
> 340
>
> 630 # The activate script needs to be sourced using its actual
> path.
> 631: nodeenv_activate=`resolvelinks "$nodeenv_activate"`
> 632
>
> sage/pkgs/sage-conf_pypi/sage_root/src/bin/sage-env:
> 338 # non-existing directory.
> 339: DOT_SAGE=`resolvelinks "$HOME/.sage"`
> 340
>
> 630 # The activate script needs to be sourced using its actual
> path.
> 631: nodeenv_activate=`resolvelinks "$nodeenv_activate"`
> 632
>
> sage/pkgs/sagemath-categories/bin/sage:
> 80 # a symlink (Trac #30888).
> 81: SELF=$(resolvelinks "${0}")
> 82
>
> sage/pkgs/sagemath-categories/bin/sage-env:
> 338 # non-existing directory.
> 339: DOT_SAGE=`resolvelinks "$HOME/.sage"`
> 340
>
> 630 # The activate script needs to be sourced using its actual
> path.
> 631: nodeenv_activate=`resolvelinks "$nodeenv_activate"`
> 632
>
> sage/pkgs/sagemath-objects/bin/sage:
> 80 # a symlink (Trac #30888).
> 81: SELF=$(resolvelinks "${0}")
> 82
>
> sage/pkgs/sagemath-objects/bin/sage-env:
> 338 # non-existing directory.
> 339: DOT_SAGE=`resolvelinks "$HOME/.sage"`
> 340
>
> 630 # The activate script needs to be sourced using its actual
> path.
> 631: nodeenv_activate=`resolvelinks "$nodeenv_activate"`
> 632
>
> sage/pkgs/sagemath-standard/bin/sage:
> 80 # a symlink (Trac #30888).
> 81: SELF=$(resolvelinks "${0}")
> 82
>
> sage/pkgs/sagemath-standard/bin/sage-env:
> 338 # non-existing directory.
> 339: DOT_SAGE=`resolvelinks "$HOME/.sage"`
> 340
>
> 630 # The activate script needs to be sourced using its actual
> path.
> 631: nodeenv_activate=`resolvelinks "$nodeenv_activate"`
> 632
>
> sage/src/bin/sage:
> 80 # a symlink (Trac #30888).
> 81: SELF=$(resolvelinks "${0}")
> 82
>
> sage/src/bin/sage-env:
> 338 # non-existing directory.
> 339: DOT_SAGE=`resolvelinks "$HOME/.sage"`
> 340
>
> 630 # The activate script needs to be sourced using its actual
> path.
> 631: nodeenv_activate=`resolvelinks "$nodeenv_activate"`
> 632
>
> (resolvelinks() and resolvelinks combined)
>
> # Query: resolvelinks
> # ContextLines: 1
>
> 60 results - 24 files
>
> sage/sage:
> 32 # meantime however the two should be kept synchronized.
> 33: resolvelinks() {
> 34 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no
> starting slash)
>
> 110 # resolved
> 111: SAGE_ROOT=`resolvelinks "$0"` || \
> 112 SAGE_ROOT="$0"
>
> sage/build/pkgs/sagelib/src/bin/sage:
> 4 # the top-level "sage" script. Please keep them synchronized.
> 5: resolvelinks() {
> 6 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no starting
> slash)
>
> 80 # a symlink (Trac #30888).
> 81: SELF=$(resolvelinks "${0}")
> 82
>
> sage/build/pkgs/sagelib/src/bin/sage-env:
> 35 #
> 36: resolvelinks() {
> 37 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no
> starting slash)
>
> 338 # non-existing directory.
> 339: DOT_SAGE=`resolvelinks "$HOME/.sage"`
> 340
>
> 630 # The activate script needs to be sourced using its actual
> path.
> 631: nodeenv_activate=`resolvelinks "$nodeenv_activate"`
> 632
>
> sage/build/pkgs/sagemath_categories/src/bin/sage:
> 4 # the top-level "sage" script. Please keep them synchronized.
> 5: resolvelinks() {
> 6 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no starting
> slash)
>
> 80 # a symlink (Trac #30888).
> 81: SELF=$(resolvelinks "${0}")
> 82
>
> sage/build/pkgs/sagemath_categories/src/bin/sage-env:
> 35 #
> 36: resolvelinks() {
> 37 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no
> starting slash)
>
> 338 # non-existing directory.
> 339: DOT_SAGE=`resolvelinks "$HOME/.sage"`
> 340
>
> 630 # The activate script needs to be sourced using its actual
> path.
> 631: nodeenv_activate=`resolvelinks "$nodeenv_activate"`
> 632
>
> sage/build/pkgs/sagemath_objects/src/bin/sage:
> 4 # the top-level "sage" script. Please keep them synchronized.
> 5: resolvelinks() {
> 6 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no starting
> slash)
>
> 80 # a symlink (Trac #30888).
> 81: SELF=$(resolvelinks "${0}")
> 82
>
> sage/build/pkgs/sagemath_objects/src/bin/sage-env:
> 35 #
> 36: resolvelinks() {
> 37 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no
> starting slash)
>
> 338 # non-existing directory.
> 339: DOT_SAGE=`resolvelinks "$HOME/.sage"`
> 340
>
> 630 # The activate script needs to be sourced using its actual
> path.
> 631: nodeenv_activate=`resolvelinks "$nodeenv_activate"`
> 632
>
> sage/pkgs/sage-conf_pypi/sage_root/build/pkgs/sagelib/src/bin/sage:
> 4 # the top-level "sage" script. Please keep them synchronized.
> 5: resolvelinks() {
> 6 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no starting
> slash)
>
> 80 # a symlink (Trac #30888).
> 81: SELF=$(resolvelinks "${0}")
> 82
>
> sage/pkgs/sage-conf_pypi/sage_root/build/pkgs/sagelib/src/bin/sage-env:
> 35 #
> 36: resolvelinks() {
> 37 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no
> starting slash)
>
> 338 # non-existing directory.
> 339: DOT_SAGE=`resolvelinks "$HOME/.sage"`
> 340
>
> 630 # The activate script needs to be sourced using its actual
> path.
> 631: nodeenv_activate=`resolvelinks "$nodeenv_activate"`
> 632
>
> sage/pkgs/sage-conf_pypi/sage_root/build/pkgs/sagelib/src/build/scripts-3.10/sage:
> 4 # the top-level "sage" script. Please keep them synchronized.
> 5: resolvelinks() {
> 6 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no starting
> slash)
>
> 80 # a symlink (Trac #30888).
> 81: SELF=$(resolvelinks "${0}")
> 82
>
> sage/pkgs/sage-conf_pypi/sage_root/build/pkgs/sagelib/src/build/scripts-3.10/sage-env:
> 35 #
> 36: resolvelinks() {
> 37 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no
> starting slash)
>
> 338 # non-existing directory.
> 339: DOT_SAGE=`resolvelinks "$HOME/.sage"`
> 340
>
> 630 # The activate script needs to be sourced using its actual
> path.
> 631: nodeenv_activate=`resolvelinks "$nodeenv_activate"`
> 632
>
> sage/pkgs/sage-conf_pypi/sage_root/build/pkgs/sagemath_categories/src/bin/sage:
> 4 # the top-level "sage" script. Please keep them synchronized.
> 5: resolvelinks() {
> 6 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no starting
> slash)
>
> 80 # a symlink (Trac #30888).
> 81: SELF=$(resolvelinks "${0}")
> 82
>
> sage/pkgs/sage-conf_pypi/sage_root/build/pkgs/sagemath_categories/src/bin/sage-env:
> 35 #
> 36: resolvelinks() {
> 37 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no
> starting slash)
>
> 338 # non-existing directory.
> 339: DOT_SAGE=`resolvelinks "$HOME/.sage"`
> 340
>
> 630 # The activate script needs to be sourced using its actual
> path.
> 631: nodeenv_activate=`resolvelinks "$nodeenv_activate"`
> 632
>
> sage/pkgs/sage-conf_pypi/sage_root/build/pkgs/sagemath_objects/src/bin/sage:
> 4 # the top-level "sage" script. Please keep them synchronized.
> 5: resolvelinks() {
> 6 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no starting
> slash)
>
> 80 # a symlink (Trac #30888).
> 81: SELF=$(resolvelinks "${0}")
> 82
>
> sage/pkgs/sage-conf_pypi/sage_root/build/pkgs/sagemath_objects/src/bin/sage-env:
> 35 #
> 36: resolvelinks() {
> 37 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no
> starting slash)
>
> 338 # non-existing directory.
> 339: DOT_SAGE=`resolvelinks "$HOME/.sage"`
> 340
>
> 630 # The activate script needs to be sourced using its actual
> path.
> 631: nodeenv_activate=`resolvelinks "$nodeenv_activate"`
> 632
>
> sage/pkgs/sage-conf_pypi/sage_root/src/bin/sage-env:
> 35 #
> 36: resolvelinks() {
> 37 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no
> starting slash)
>
> 338 # non-existing directory.
> 339: DOT_SAGE=`resolvelinks "$HOME/.sage"`
> 340
>
> 630 # The activate script needs to be sourced using its actual
> path.
> 631: nodeenv_activate=`resolvelinks "$nodeenv_activate"`
> 632
>
> sage/pkgs/sagemath-categories/bin/sage:
> 4 # the top-level "sage" script. Please keep them synchronized.
> 5: resolvelinks() {
> 6 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no starting
> slash)
>
> 80 # a symlink (Trac #30888).
> 81: SELF=$(resolvelinks "${0}")
> 82
>
> sage/pkgs/sagemath-categories/bin/sage-env:
> 35 #
> 36: resolvelinks() {
> 37 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no
> starting slash)
>
> 338 # non-existing directory.
> 339: DOT_SAGE=`resolvelinks "$HOME/.sage"`
> 340
>
> 630 # The activate script needs to be sourced using its actual
> path.
> 631: nodeenv_activate=`resolvelinks "$nodeenv_activate"`
> 632
>
> sage/pkgs/sagemath-objects/bin/sage:
> 4 # the top-level "sage" script. Please keep them synchronized.
> 5: resolvelinks() {
> 6 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no starting
> slash)
>
> 80 # a symlink (Trac #30888).
> 81: SELF=$(resolvelinks "${0}")
> 82
>
> sage/pkgs/sagemath-objects/bin/sage-env:
> 35 #
> 36: resolvelinks() {
> 37 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no
> starting slash)
>
> 338 # non-existing directory.
> 339: DOT_SAGE=`resolvelinks "$HOME/.sage"`
> 340
>
> 630 # The activate script needs to be sourced using its actual
> path.
> 631: nodeenv_activate=`resolvelinks "$nodeenv_activate"`
> 632
>
> sage/pkgs/sagemath-standard/bin/sage:
> 4 # the top-level "sage" script. Please keep them synchronized.
> 5: resolvelinks() {
> 6 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no starting
> slash)
>
> 80 # a symlink (Trac #30888).
> 81: SELF=$(resolvelinks "${0}")
> 82
>
> sage/pkgs/sagemath-standard/bin/sage-env:
> 35 #
> 36: resolvelinks() {
> 37 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no
> starting slash)
>
> 338 # non-existing directory.
> 339: DOT_SAGE=`resolvelinks "$HOME/.sage"`
> 340
>
> 630 # The activate script needs to be sourced using its actual
> path.
> 631: nodeenv_activate=`resolvelinks "$nodeenv_activate"`
> 632
>
> sage/src/bin/sage:
> 4 # the top-level "sage" script. Please keep them synchronized.
> 5: resolvelinks() {
> 6 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no starting
> slash)
>
> 80 # a symlink (Trac #30888).
> 81: SELF=$(resolvelinks "${0}")
> 82
>
> sage/src/bin/sage-env:
> 35 #
> 36: resolvelinks() {
> 37 # $in is what still needs to be converted (normally has no
> starting slash)
>
> 338 # non-existing directory.
> 339: DOT_SAGE=`resolvelinks "$HOME/.sage"`
> 340
>
> 630 # The activate script needs to be sourced using its actual
> path.
> 631: nodeenv_activate=`resolvelinks "$nodeenv_activate"`
> 632
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 11:21 PM Michael Orlitzky <mic...@orlitzky.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 2022-04-13 at 19:36 -0700, ph h wrote:
> > Dear All,
> >
> > At the top of 'sage/src/bin/sage' script:
> >
> > <quote>
> > # WARNING: this function is copy/pasted from both src/bin/sage-env and
> > # the top-level "sage" script. Please keep them synchronized.
> > resolvelinks() {
> > </quote>
> >
> > Is there any other way to keep them in sync without using Copy&Paste?
> >
>
> I think I'm at least partly responsible for that. There are a few ways
> we could de-duplicate those scripts, but it's not clear that any of
> them are less complex or easier to maintain than copy/paste for now.
>
> Personally, I would rather see the time spent investigating whether or
> not we truly need the symlink-free path in the instances where
> resolvelinks() is currently used. I would guess not -- that there is a
> better solution to whatever other problem prompted the resolvelinks()
> function. But I don't know what that problem was. And to remove the
> function and "see what happens" would be committing yourself to
> answering bug reports from weird sage installs for the next twelve
> months.
>
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