I agree completely. I am firmly against this particular use of Java. I'm comfortable with the language, with the use of applets, and I'm very pro-3d java widget. Speaking of: has anybody heard from Peter Clark?
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007, William Stein wrote: > > I can't write much from my phone. But I think rejecting some use of > java in the notebook out of hand is a very bad idea, especially given > the recent open sourcing of java. Also java is our best hope for > some notebook related problems, eg 3 d graphics. > > - William > > (Sent from my iPhone.) > > On Aug 6, 2007, at 2:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> >>>> 1) browser-applet interaction is >>>> * highly restricted >>>> * buggy >>>> * different in every browser >>> >>> Browser/applet interaction is restricted, but the interaction between >>> the applet and the servers it was served from is unrestricted. Since >>> the data that a user is working on is on the server, I do not see why >>> very much browser/applet interaction would be needed. >> >> Then read the notebook source. If you capture a key in a cell, it >> might affect the rest of the notebook. Interrupting, opening >> print / help windows, etc. Evaluating the bottom-most cell spawns >> another cell. The list goes on. >> >> >> >>>> 3) I frequently use worksheets with hundreds of cells. This, in >>>> turn, runs my computer out of memory. This is not using java. >>>> Add the overhead of an applet for every cell... you get the idea. >>> >>> Sun's Java-SE implementation has included Class Data Sharing since >>> version 1.5: >>> >>> http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/guide/vm/class-data-sharing.html >>> >>> So, I do not think that one can assume that having multiple applets >>> running will use too many resources without testing this. >> >> >> I remain skeptical. >> >> >>> >>> If the resource usage was too high, then an alternate strategy of >>> just >>> using one applet and then binding it to the current cell being edited >>> could be explored. >> >> Absolutely not. We tried a "change the cell when you click on it" >> scheme for about two weeks. My ears are still ringing from all the >> complaints I heard about it. >> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
