Assalamo alaykom wa rahmato Allah, Thanks a lot brother for this effort wa barakallaho fik, be sure we will discuss this inshalla and we will applicate most of your suggestion in the next release inshalla (10.04) since we haven't time to do that in the actual release (9.10).
After 27/12/2009 we will start discussions about points in your mail inshalla. Assalamo alaykom Forwarded conversation Subject: [sabily-users] The Bundling of the Applications in Sabily ------------------------ From: *macbatac* <[email protected]> Date: 2009/12/13 To: Sabily <[email protected]> Assalaamu'alaykoum wa Rohmatullaahi wa Baarokaatuhu. Alhamdulillaahi Robbil 'aalamiin. I am very glad with next Sabily release. Insha Allah that's an event we has been awaiting. Before that release, I want to give suggestions, proposition, and advice that Insha Allah will give much improvement to Sabily for the next time. Please my brothers and sisters consider it. *** ABOUT COMPARATION OF OTHER DISTROS *** I ever installed, tried, and compared some Ubuntu derivative distros. IMHO, maybe there are three good enough bundling from Ubuntu derivative distros. Each other has superiority and also inferiority in some applications bundled. But in a general way, that is relative opinion for each user. Each of these distros have specific users whose targeted. My attention is right to: Linux Mint, Crunchbang, and Ultimate Edition (UE). This is my opinion of that comparation: -* Linux Mint has beautiful appearance and professional brand design for the desktop. Linux Mint also has special native applications from the developers and easy simple plugins supported by the default. The special native applications give much ease for newbie and GUI fans. For example, there is an .mint format used by packages to add/remove software so the user could install any program “by just one click”. The developers remove Games category by the default on result target for professional dan productive realm, also could bundled in just one CD. The inferiority, it has cowsay (image of animal in ASCII) and fortune (many entertaining quotes in terminal). In Islam, make an image of living creature is not good. And the name of “fortune” has contradiction meaning. As our learn from Allah's religion (Islam), there is no fortune except from Allah. And also I am worrying if there are many sentences in quotes disfigure about God and religion. Likely (if I'm not wrong remember) I ever found some of them. Subhaanallaah. -* Crunchbang has extra fast booting and access, save harddisk capacity and memory. The developers of the distro make use of openbox as window manager, and the distro has good management and good modification. For the result, the features is not inferior to others bigger desktop environment like XFCE and Gnome. This distro users can access the files and multimedia applications easily by point and click. They also can modify the desktop by self easily. Some favourite applications in terminal also has pre-installed. Openbox could be surplus for people who love minimalistic decoration, but can be a shortage for they who prefer beautiful appearance. -* About UE, I never yet try to install it. However, if we go to the website, it is seem like a distro with PLENTY applications, features, plugins, themes, desktop environment (KDE, Gnome, XFCE, etc), and plenty options out-of-the-box. Except Zekr, Thwab, Minbar, and other Islamic applications like we have. So, perhaps the user become doesn't need or not urge to connected to the internet for installing any addition programs. But this point (excessive applications) could be also the demerits. People who don't like excessive number of applications, extra capacity, crowded options, or don't feel need too many extras; little possibilities they will take it. I hope my experience of compare other derivative distros could give us insight to consider some better design for Sabily next time, and Sabily have to be different with other distros. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Sabily" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]<sabily-users%[email protected]> . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sabily-users?hl=en. ---------- From: *macbatac* <[email protected]> Date: 2009/12/13 To: Sabily <[email protected]> *** WHAT APPLICATIONS NEED TO BE REMOVED *** There are some applications which need to be replaced. From my postings before, I ever hoped that the games could be educational, professional, productive purpose like used in schools or universities. But now, in reality, I concern with the kids who become lazy or don't like exercise their body for outdoor activity, learn to help the parents in home activity, and something else, because they “busy” playing the games. Also partly, there are games which has many living creature image. In Al-Qur`an surah Al-Maa`idah [5] aayah 92, Allah said: وَأَطِيعُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُوا الرَّسُولَ وَاحْذَرُوا فَإِنْ تَوَلَّيْتُمْ فَاعْلَمُوا أَنَّمَا عَلَى رَسُولِنَا الْبَلَاغُ الْمُبِينُ “And obey Allah and obey Rosul (the messenger), and beware! But if you turn away, then know that the duty of Our messenger is only plain a clear deliverance (of the message).” In Hadith Saheeh Al-Imaam Muslim (rohimahullaah), jouz'u 14 page 93: ….. From Sa'id ibnu Abi Hasan rodiyallaahu'anhu ….... a man had came to Ibnu 'Abbas rodiyallaahu'anhu …... (until statement of Ibnu 'Abbas, he said): I heard Rosulullaah (Muhammad the messenger of Allah) shollallaahu'alayhi wa sallam said, كلّ مصوّر في النار, يجعل له بكلّ صورة صوّرها نفسا فتعذّبه في جهنّم “All of the drawers (of living creature) are located in hell, the images (ever they made) will get live spirit for them, then give them torment in hell jahannam.” In Hadith Saheeh Al-Imaam Al-Bukhaary (rohimahullaah), jouz'u 10 page 389: ….. From 'Aishah rodiyallaahu'anhaa ….... she had bought a pillow which has living creature picture ....... (until statement of Rosulullaah shollallaahu'alayhi wa sallam,) Rosulullaah said, إنّ أصحاب هذه الصور يعذّبون يوم القيامة, يقال لهم: أحيوا ماخلقتم, وإنّ الملائكة لا تدخل بيتا فيه الصورة “Surely the makers of this pictures will be punished on the judgement day, ordered to them: give life for anything ever you created! And surely the angels (of mercy) will not enter to houses where an image (of living creature) in there.” * Based on the Qur`an and Hadith Saheeh, I give my advice, there are some applications which need to be removed: 1. Potato guy 2. Tux typing 3. Tux math 5. Tux paint 6. Gcompris * And our aim for increase productivity, we need to remove other Games category. But other applications in Education category is doesn't need to be removed. * And one more point has to be changed: The folder of “Music” renamed with “Audio”. >From Abou Malik Al-'Ash`ary rodiyallaahu'anhu, Rosulullaah shollallaahu'alayhi wa sallam said, ليكوننّ من أمّتي أقوام يستحلّون الحرّ و الحرير و الخمر و المعازف “Will be emerge surely, the people part of my society generations who permitting fornication, silk (for men), liquor (anything intoxicate – transltr), and musical devices.” (Hadith Saheeh Al-Bukhaary) Word of al-ma'aazif means song and musical devices. I call to my self, my brothers and my sisters to increase reading Al- Qur`an. May Allah give us guidance in every activity of our life. ---------- From: *macbatac* <[email protected]> Date: 2009/12/13 To: Sabily <[email protected]> *** WHAT APPLICATIONS NEED TO BE ADDED *** We love Operating System which give Islamic environment, educational, professional, and productive system. That is our spesific user target. And of course for da'awa (Islam propagation). And based on my comparation of distros above, I propose applications which needed by our environment. The degree of each application popularity could be saw and considered in menu Applications >> Add/Remove Applications. These is my suggestion: LANGUAGE - Add support for Malay and Indonesian language in Gnome and Firefox. Because in both countries there are very large amount of muslims. OFFICE AND PRODUCTIVITY - Openoffice math, - Openoffice base. - QiOO (OpenOffice.org extension that support typing Qur`an aayah/ verses.) # See: http://code.google.com/p/qioo - Planner (project manager) - kfocus (project management from KDE) - gvim (GUI for vim editor) - Kompozer (programming editor) - OSMO Lightweight Personal Manager - gVim (GUI for vim) FROM LINUX MINT's Applications currently release 8 codename Helena (can be downloaded from http://packages.linuxmint.com) - mintmenu (Configurable Slab-like main menu in gnome); depends mint- common; mint-translations - mintnanny (simple domain blocker) - mintupload (easy upload manager); - mintwifi (collection of wireless card drivers, support more than 40 kind of wifi card) FILES AND MANAGEMENT - nautilus-script-manager (like script manager in ubuntu-tweak) - nautilus-script-audio-convert - nautilus actions (nautilus extension to configure programs to launch in context menu) - nautilus-clamscan (a nautilus extension) - nautilus-image-converter (a nautilus extension) - pcmanfm (fast and lightweight file manager, support tabbed window, partition mounting, change permission and other features) - 7zip: p7zip, p7zip-full (support for compressing file in .7z format) - xfburn (lightweight CD/DVD burning like brasero) - mrename (A tool for easy and automatic renaming of many files) - pyrenamer (Mass file renamer written in PyGTK) EDUCATION - GRAMPS (Genealogical Research and Analysis Management Program. We could make image for family's tree, tracking our big family, then we could make itu use for ilmou Al-Faraa`idh [a branch of knowledge/ science for studying wealth/property inheritance in Islam]). - Stardict (an offline dictionary which many language database could be downloaded and added. If we run it then we choose and activating a language, it can appear a pop-out translations of a word passed by cursor over there). We can add the ar-en/en-ar or other language database by default. - kgeography (an application for learn geography) INTERNET - liferea (gnome feed reader) - axel (A light download accelerator - Console version) - axel-kapt (front-end for axel) - gwget / kget (download manager) - webhttrack (website copier for offline browsing) - moonlight (Free Silverlight web platform in Linux) (depend to libmoon, moonlight-plugin-core, moonlight-plugin-mozilla) - adblock Plus (firefox extension for filtering advertisement) - apt-fast (script for accelerating apt download) # see: http://www.mattparnell.com/projects/apt-fast-and-axel-roughly-26x-faster-apt-get-installations-and-upgrades.html - gFTP Client - Skype (VOIP) - Google Chrome (fast and secure browser) - gwibber (microblogging client which support many service) SOUND (MULTIMEDIA) - exaile (Exaile is an audio/media player aiming to be similar to KDE's Amarok, but for GTK+, and light) - soundconverter (convert audio files into other formats) GRAPHIC - agave (Color Pallet Designer) - gcolor2 (color picker) - gnome-specimen (Font Previewer) TERMINAL APPLICATIONS - vim - mc (midnight commander) - rtorrent - mocp (audio player) - newsbeuter (feed reader) - w3m and w3c-dtd-xhtml (browser) - elinks (browser) - mutt (email client) - irssi (IRC client) - naim (chat client) - Terminator (multiple gnome terminal in one window) NETWORKING - gufw (simple front end for managing netfilter firewall), or - Firestarter (complete firewall tool for linux desktop) - ndisgtk (graphical frontend for ndiswrapper - installation of Windows Wifi Drivers) - giver (GUI easy quick file sharing)? - iperf (Internet Protocol bandwidth measuring tool) - bing (Empirical stochastic bandwidth tester) SAFETY AND HEALTHY - rsibreak (help to prevent repetitive strain/stress injury) The rsibreak utility can be used to remind us to take a break now and then. It will show us a random picture from a collection we can configure ourself for a configurable duration at a configurable interval. Homepage: http://www.rsibreak.org - xwrits (a lightweight app reminds us to take a break from typing, xwrits helps us to prevent repetitive stress injury.) xwrits is a small reminder program designed to let us know it is time to take a break from typing to rest our wrists and prevent any damage to our wrists (or at least make them feel better). Normally works on the honor system, but if we find ourself unable to stop typing during our break, it can also lock our keyboard. SECURITY 11. keepassx (password manager) SYSTEM ADMINISTRATION - Palimpsest Disk Utility - Hardinfo (hardware inventory and benchmark) - htop (system monitor in a terminal) - conky (lightweight desktop system monitor) - gtweakui (A collection of simple dialogs as a front end to GConf) DESKTOP CONTROL AND ACCESSORIES # We install these items, but don't activate it in # startup-service if we want to save resource # of memory. - gnome-do (Quick actions control and launch apps on our desktop. Just need a few keystroke on keyboard. Inspired by Quicksilver (for Mac) and GNOME Launch Box) - screenlets (desktop applet), or - gdesklets (desktop applet) - avant window navigator ? (like dock-bar in Mac) - quick-lounge-applet (GNOME 2 Panel Applet to organize your preferred applications, With this applet you can organize your preferred applications in a single place.) ADD SOME BEATIFUL GTK+ THEMES and ICONS - Mac4Lin project (a packet of themes, icons, and wallpaper) # http://sourceforge.net/projects/mac4lin/ These can be taken from gnomelook.org: - divinorum (gtk theme) # http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Divinorum-Revisited?content=89200 - oxygen blend (gtk theme) # http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Oxygen+Blend?content=114029 - raptor (gtk theme) # http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Raptor+%28Slickness+remix%29?content=86048 - charcoal (gtk theme) # http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Charcoal+%28SlicknesS+Remix%29?content=104623 - slickness black (gtk theme) # http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Slickness+Black?content=73210 - my colorful slickness # http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/My+Colorful+Slickness?content=112426 For all of your efforts, I say Jazaakumullaahu khoyran. -- عبد المنعم كوكة Abdelmonam Kouka http://sabily-guru.blogspot.com/
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