Thanks Philip. Your comments have helped a lot.

I totally forgot about the Law of Demeter learned way back in second
year CS. If I just follow that rule then I think most of my complaints
about doing what I was in the view will disappear because I will only
ever be using 1 level of indirection.

I will have to consult the pick-axe again on the nuances of iterators.
I haven't been using them because coming from a major C/Perl style
background, for is just more familiar to me. Thanks for pointing this
out though, no one else has yet.

As for the model <=> view in MVC, I was looking at 'Design Patterns'
and their is indeed a dotted line, where all the rest are solid lines.
The book fails to distinguish the difference between the two though.
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