Hi Yingzhen,
If we need to define extensions to routing protocols to support green
networking, integrated NTN and terrestrial networks, inter-DC distributed
AI training, do we need to start incubation project? In the past such
extensions are standardized using the current process without rechartering
RTGWG. Perhaps I am missing something.

Thanks
Hesham

On Mon, Oct 21, 2024, 7:48 PM Yingzhen Qu <yingzhen.i...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear RTGWG,
>
> It's been a while since the RTGWG charter was last updated, and it’s now
> due for an recharter. However, given the nature of the RTGWG, much of the
> existing charter text still applies. The main changes are as follows:
>
>    1. A significant addition to the charter is the inclusion of a large
>    topic on incubating new routing-related technologies.
>    2. Editorial changes for improved clarity.
>
> Please find the updated text below in this email, as well as an attached
> Word document with highlighted changes. Also we recently removed some
> outdated milestones that were over 10 years old.
>
> Kindly review and share your feedback with the list.
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff and Yingzhen (co-chairs of RTGWG)
>
>
> *Charter for Working Group*
> The Routing Area Working Group (RTGWG) is chartered to provide a
> venue to discuss, evaluate, support and develop proposals for
> new work in the Routing Area. It may also work on specific small topics
> that do not fit within any existing working groups. An example of such a
> small topic is a draft that might otherwise be AD-sponsored but which could
> benefit from the review and consensus that RTGWG can provide.
>
> Options for handling new work include:
> • Directing the work to an existing WG (including RTGWG)
> • Developing a proposal for a BoF.
> • Developing a charter and establishing consensus for a new WG. This
> option will primarily be used for fairly mature and/or well-defined
> efforts.
> • Conducting a careful evaluation, which may lead to deferring or
> rejecting work.
>
> It is expected that the proposals for new work will only include items
> which
> are not aligned with the work of other WGs or that may span multiple WGs.
> The Area Directors and WG Chairs can provide guidance if there is any
> doubt whether a topic should be discussed in RTGWG.
>
> A major objective of the RTGWG is to provide timely and clear
> dispositions of new efforts. Where there is consensus to take
> on new work, the WG will strive to quickly find a suitable home for it.
> Reconsideration of proposals which have failed to gather consensus
> will be prioritized behind proposals for new work which have not
> yet been considered. In general, requests for reconsideration
> should only be made once a proposal has been significantly
> revised.
>
> If RTGWG decides that a particular topic should be addressed by
> a new WG, the chairs will recommend the work to the Routing ADs
> with a summary of the evaluation. The Routing ADs may then choose
> to follow the normal IETF chartering process (potential BoF, IETF-wide
> review of the proposed charter, etc.).
>
> Guiding principles for the evaluation of new work by RTGWG will include:
> 1. Providing a clear problem statement for proposed new work.
> 2. Prioritizing new efforts to manage the trade-offs between urgency,
> interest, and available resources in the Routing Area.
> 3. Identifying commonalities among ongoing efforts, which may indicate
> the need to develop more general, reusable solutions.
> 4. Ensuring appropriate cross-WG and cross-area review.
> 5. Protecting the architectural integrity of the protocols developed
> in the Routing Area and ensuring that work has significant applicability.
>
> RTGWG may also work on specific small topics that do not fit within an
> existing working group. An example of such a small topic is a draft that
> might otherwise be AD-sponsored but which could benefit from the review and
> consensus that RTGWG can provide.
>
> RTGWG may work on larger topics, but must be explicitly rechartered to add
> it. The specific larger topics that RTGWG is currently chartered to work on
> include:
> • Enhancements to hop-by-hop distributed
> routing (e.g., unicast and multicast routing, LDP/MPLS , Segment Routing)
> related to fast convergence with a goal of fast-reroute mechanisms to
> provide up to complete coverage when the potential failure would not
> partition the network. All work in this area should be specifically
> evaluated by the WG in terms of
> practicality and applicability to deployed networks.
> • Routing related YANG models that are not within the scope of other RTG
> working
> groups.
> • Incubation of routing-related new technologies, particularly focusing
> on problem statements, prior to achieving consensus for creating a new
> working group. This includes, but not limited to, the following topics:
> satellite routing, routing in data centers, and networking for AI clusters.
>
> The working group milestones will be updated as needed to reflect the
> proposals currently being worked on and the target dates for their
> completion.
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