Hi Sasha,

Sorry for the late relpy. 
The two options currently provided in the draft are not applicable for any 
topology, but only for clos/fat tree. And the sending of ARN messages is 
directional, ARN will only be sent to the upstream device that has forwarded 
the message upstream.
So for the remote notification case, when there's no other non-congested path 
available on the directly connected upstream device, ARN is sent to the 
non-directly connected device, and after this device reroutes the traffic to a 
new next hop, there may be three situations: 
1)The next-hop device forwards the traffic to the destination through an 
uncongested path. -- Goal achieved
2)The next-hop device does not have an available forwarding entry for the 
traffic.  --- Additional mechanisms are needed to avoid black hole/packet 
dropping, e.g, via the controller.
3)The next-hop device forwards the traffic to the congested device again. ---- 
The congested device will generate ARN for the traffic again and send it to the 
upstream, aiming to trigger the redirection of the traffic again. The result 
would be 1) 2) or 3), but since only the upstream nodes might reroutes the 
traffic, it would not cause a loop. 

Loop may occur in situation 1) and 3) when the next-hop device 
changes/recomputes it's routing table and sends the traffic back to the 
upstream node due to link changes in the network. But this is a loop during 
routing convergence, which also occurs in normal scenarios, and a micro-loop 
avoidance mechanism is needed.

Thanks,
Yao


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Hi all,
Just to clarify: my question at the mike was about perceived lack of any loop 
avoidance mechanisms in the Adaptive Routing Notification for Load-balancing 
draft.
I have to admit that I did not fully understand the response of the author and 
suggest discussing this issue Furter on the list.
 
Regards,
Sasha
 





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