Alia,

it's great to hear that the work is of interest for the WG.

Essentially, the current specification is a mesh-under mechanism (i.e. on
layer 2.5), using the 6lowpan headers, as that is where we got our
experience from and have implementations. However, I see no problem of
adding a layer of abstraction in the draft making it possible to run the
mechanism on both layer 2.5 (6lowpan) and layer 3 (IPv6). The 6lowpan
architecture is well described in RFC4944, and our current draft relies on
that specification.

I found the link to the paper I mentioned in my first email:
http://www.flacp.fujitsulabs.com/~cardenas/Papers/forwarding-comparison-2.pdf

I will also try to ask my management if I can disclose our results from the
real deployment.

Regards
Ulrich

On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Alia Atlas <[email protected]> wrote:

> I think that it would be very beneficial to discuss this work in rtgwg.
>  There may be some experience we can bring to bear.
>
> I personally am not familiar with the different characteristics of 6lowpan
> compared to IP.  Could you summarize or send a pointer?
>
> Regards,
> Alia
>
>
> On Friday, November 18, 2011, Ulrich Herberg <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Our draft basically describes a data forwarding mechanism, currently
> specified for 6lowpan (but it would be doable to add the same mechanism for
> IP as well). The idea is that a node first tries to forward a data packet
> along the route proposed by the routing protocol. However, if the topology
> has changed or a link has become very unstable, instead of dropping the
> packet, the node tries to find alternate paths towards the destination by
> applying a "depth-first search" in the network, possibly updating the route
> cost in the routing protocol. This allows for increasing the delivery ratio
> until the route has been corrected by the routing protocol. The advantage
> is that one requires fewer updates of the control plane, which may have
> negative effects on an already unstable topology (e.g. by flooding RREQ or
> LSAs).
> > We have done a number of simulations and also real tests with several
> hundred nodes at Fujitsu which showed a performance improvement. If you are
> interested in reading the draft, I would appreciate any kind of feedback.
> >
> > I-D
> > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-cardenas-dff
> >
> > We have code both for the real testbed and for the simulator. Moreover,
> I am currently developing open source code.
> >
> > Some results in a paper (not yet available, but I will see if I can spin
> out a research report and upload that somewhere with public access)
> > Comparison of Data Forwarding Mechanisms for AMI Networks. Sandra
> Céspedes, Alvaro A. Cárdenas, Tadashige Iwao. 2012 IEEE Innovative Smart
> Grid Technologies Conference (ISGT). January 17-19, 2012.
> >
> > Best regards
> > Ulrich
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Thomas Heide Clausen <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> In the FRR discussion at the mike today, I indicated that some work
> targeting FRR in LLNs might be worth looking at (and/or bring it into this
> wg).
> >>
> >> The draft I mentioned was this:
> >>
> >>      http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-cardenas-dff-03
> >>
> >> I'm not an author of this I-D, but I Cc Ulrich, who is, and who can
> probably say something much more intelligently than I can about it.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Thomas
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Thomas Heide Clausen
> >> http://www.thomasclausen.org/
> >>
> >> "Payload (noun): wasted bandwidth between headers" (C.Lavenu 2011)
> >>
> >
> >
>
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