-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 01/02/2014 09:53 PM, Dan Stromberg wrote: > First off, thanks much for your suggestions. ... >> First, a new column for the old cp -al then rsync on top of it >> method that --link-dest mostly replaced. It is slower since all >> the hard links get made and then some get replaced or deleted but >> it does have the opposite behavior in your new column. Changes >> to file metadata propagate across all backups so that new files >> are not created for simple permission or ownership changes. I >> didn't suggest this to the original question because I assumed >> that someone using an rsync wrapper would find it easier to run a >> manual chmod than to modify the behavior of the wrapper. > > Is this mostly of historical interest? > > I'm more interested in the new --link-by-hash option. Does this > play a role in saving files with the same hashes but different > ownerships or permissions bits?
I am also interested in that but it is not currently in mainstream rsync. Also, at work, I have switched to rsync backups without - --link-dest using ZFS subvolume snapshots so this could only benefit my personal usage at home so I am less motivated to look into it. It is true that the old cp -al method is rarely used anymore but it is still certainly available. Also, the overhead of pre-making all the hard links really isn't that much more than making most of them while rsync is running. I actually resisted the switch from cp -al to rsync - --link-dest for a while because the performance change wasn't that big and because I didn't want to waste disk space on metadata changes. Then I had issues where customers would change permissions, complain that something broke, then claim they didn't make any such changes. Suddenly it was worth having an extra copy of a php script just to show what the permissions were yesterday. Also, you can still get a performance advantage out of cp -al... If you are running nightly backups in a window with most of the day to spend on other things you can use that most of a day idle time to do all the cp -al runs to prime the next backup. Now when rsync runs it doesn't have to make any link calls during its execution. This makes the rsync run and therefore the impact on the server being backed up much smaller. There was also someone on here a while back who was using --link-dest but was not purging old backup trees. Instead they were re-using the oldest backup as the target. This has some tricky implications that need to be understood and analyzed but it worked for that person and avoided long cycles of rm -rf on massive trees of hard links to purge old backups (the reason my company went to BTRFS and then ZFS). - -- ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~ Kevin Korb Phone: (407) 252-6853 Systems Administrator Internet: FutureQuest, Inc. ke...@futurequest.net (work) Orlando, Florida k...@sanitarium.net (personal) Web page: http://www.sanitarium.net/ PGP public key available on web site. ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlLGKHQACgkQVKC1jlbQAQcNDgCeI1zTfLLpqZra09uMI6ipN2Dp d6gAmwagk1xSO4ZJdZm90VWJimbhCP1p =ubjd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Please use reply-all for most replies to avoid omitting the mailing list. To unsubscribe or change options: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/rsync Before posting, read: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html