On 7/10/07, Marcus Ahnve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Whether or not to start with the view is a topic of great debate. Many > agile luminaries propose waiting with the ui for as long as possible, > whereas 37Signals for example won't start coding without a full HTML > mockup. >
I wouldn't call myself an agile luminary, but I am at least a strong proponent. TDD means "write the test first" BDD takes this idea to a more general level: "write the client first" (the outside) The design/implementation benefits you get from writing the test first can also be achieved by writing the outside of your app first - it leads you to write the code that the client needs, rather than trying to guess it. The client is your test/spec OR a piece of your app that is "farther out". Same thing really. Aslak > I've tried all different ways - even starting with the model - but I > agree with David, starting with the view seem to result in less > refactoring. > > Cheers /Marcus > > On 7/6/07, Jed Hurt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Cool. I'll have to give it a try on my next project. > > > > On 7/6/07, David Chelimsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 7/6/07, Jed Hurt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I just read 'Mocks Aren't Stubs' and was intrigued by the notion of > > > > 'outside-in' TDD. > > > > > > > > As a Rails developer, I'm curious if others are employing this method > > > > when developing Rails applications using RSpec. Is it common practice > > > > (or even practical) to drive the development of a Rails app by > > > > starting with view specs, then controller specs, then models? > > > > > > Common? Not from what I've seen. I think that most ppl seem to start > > > w/ the controller. > > > > > > That said, I've been starting with the views with some success. I find > > > that when I've started with the controller, I've ended up doing a lot > > > more refactoring once that slice was done (i.e. a given > > > view/controller action/model trio) than I do when I start w/ the view. > > > In other words, the designs that emerge when I start w/ views are > > > closer to the designs that I want. > > > > > > This is just me. I'm not advocating that this will work for everybody. > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > rspec-users mailing list > > > > rspec-users@rubyforge.org > > > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > rspec-users mailing list > > > rspec-users@rubyforge.org > > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > rspec-users mailing list > > rspec-users@rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users > > > > > -- > http://marcus.ahnve.net > _______________________________________________ > rspec-users mailing list > rspec-users@rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users > _______________________________________________ rspec-users mailing list rspec-users@rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users
