very clear explanation, Charlie.  Thanks again!  nice weekend.

-donald

On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Charlie Voiselle <cvoise...@basho.com>wrote:

> Donald:
>
> Since the list of partitions can easily be segmented using a filter on 
> partition values
> that are greater than the hashed value, it makes for a simple determination 
> of the ordered
> preflist.
>
> For Example: Hash = 1045375627425331784151332358177649483819648417632
>
> Parition                                            | P > H | List  |
> ----------------------------------------------------+-------+-------+
> 0                                                   | False |   B   |
> 182687704666362864775460604089535377456991567872    | False |   B   |
> 365375409332725729550921208179070754913983135744    | False |   B   |
> 548063113999088594326381812268606132370974703616    | False |   B   |
> 730750818665451459101842416358141509827966271488    | False |   B   |
> 913438523331814323877303020447676887284957839360    | False |   B   |
> 1096126227998177188652763624537212264741949407232   | True  |   A   |
> 1278813932664540053428224228626747642198940975104   | True  |   A   |
> ----------------------------------------------------+-------+-------+
>
> Then so long as order is maintained, your sorted preflist is simply A ++ B.
>
> It would be a (if only slightly) more complex algorithm, requiring 
> determination by
> lookahead if you were in the correct partition, in order to have the 
> partitions names be
> starting values.
>
> To answer your second question, the partitions are named by dividing the 
> integer keyspace
> by the num partitions to create an incrementor[1].  This incrementor is used 
> as the
> stepping factor in a sequence from 0 to RINGTOP value -- 
> `trunc(math:pow(2,160)-1)`.
>
> You can call these functions yourself in the `riak attach` as follows:
>
> (dev1@127.0.0.1)1> Inc = chash:ring_increment(8).
> 182687704666362864775460604089535377456991567872
>
> (dev1@127.0.0.1)2> [{IndexAsInt} || IndexAsInt <-lists:seq(0,( trunc( 
> math:pow(2,160) -1)
> -1),Inc)].
> [{0},
> {182687704666362864775460604089535377456991567872},
> {365375409332725729550921208179070754913983135744},
> {548063113999088594326381812268606132370974703616},
> {730750818665451459101842416358141509827966271488},
> {913438523331814323877303020447676887284957839360},
> {1096126227998177188652763624537212264741949407232},
> {1278813932664540053428224228626747642198940975104}]}
>
>
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Charlie Voiselle
>
>
> ---
> [0] https://github.com/basho/riak_core/blob/master/src/chash.erl#L88
> [1] https://github.com/basho/riak_core/blob/master/src/chash.erl#L162
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 29, 2013, at 9:47 AM, Donald Yan <dyan....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Charlie,
>
> That really helps to clear the confusion.  Thanks again!
>
> Then it comes to the next question :-)  Just curious to know: is there a
> special reason why using the end value as the partition's name?  Normally,
> most people I think would pick the beginning value as the partition's name
> in common logic.
>
> And a second question related to the above question is how this end value
> is picked: partition named "0" is actually ending with number 0, and so
> forth for the other partitions.  This is like the 160-bit space got
> right-shifted one number relative to 0-started numbering system.  Is there
> a special reason for it in Riak, or simply want to use 1-started numbering
> system.
>
>
> wr, donald
>
> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Charlie Voiselle <cvoise...@basho.com>wrote:
>
>> Donald:
>>
>> Since we are traversing the ring in a clockwise fashion, the data is
>> written into the next partition you would run into moving forward.  You can
>> see how the partitions are chosen in* *chash:ordered_from/2 at
>> https://github.com/basho/riak_core/blob/master/src/chash.erl#L138.  The
>> preference list is built using the partitions that come after the hashed
>> value.
>>
>> If you consider the partition's name to be the end value that the
>> partition holds, the an object that hashes to
>> 1045375627425331784151332358177649483819648417632 being assigned to
>> 1096126227998177188652763624537212264741949407232 makes sense. That
>> partition would hold items that hash from
>> 913438523331814323877303020447676887284957839361 to
>> 1096126227998177188652763624537212264741949407232
>>
>>
>> Does this help?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Charlie Voiselle
>>
>>
>> On Jan 24, 2013, at 12:05 AM, Donald Yan <dyan....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I'm reading this page at
>> http://docs.basho.com/riak/latest/references/appendices/concepts/Replication/#Understanding-replication-by-example
>>  and
>> have a question about the example given in the page.  I quote it here:
>> "
>>
>> The DocIdx hash is a 160 bit integer:
>>
>> (dev1@127.0.0.1)5> <<I:160/integer>> = DocIdx.
>> <<183,28,67,173,80,128,26,94,190,198,65,15,27,243,135,127,121,101,255,96>>
>> (dev1@127.0.0.1)6> I.1045375627425331784151332358177649483819648417632
>>
>> The node looks up the hashed key in the ring which returns a list of
>> “preferred” partitions for the given key.
>>
>> (node1@127.0.0.1)> Preflist = riak_core_ring:preflist(DocIdx, Ring).
>> [{1096126227998177188652763624537212264741949407232, 'dev1@127.0.0.1'},
>> {1278813932664540053428224228626747642198940975104, 'dev2@127.0.0.1'},
>> {0, 'dev1@127.0.0.1'},
>> {182687704666362864775460604089535377456991567872, 'dev2@127.0.0.1'},
>> {365375409332725729550921208179070754913983135744, 'dev3@127.0.0.1'},
>> {548063113999088594326381812268606132370974703616, 'dev1@127.0.0.1'},
>> {730750818665451459101842416358141509827966271488, 'dev2@127.0.0.1'},
>> {913438523331814323877303020447676887284957839360, 'dev3@127.0.0.1'}]
>>
>>
>> "
>>
>> I question is since the key is  calculated as "
>> 1045375627425331784151332358177649483819648417632", shouldn't the prefer
>> list be like the following instead?
>> "
>> [{913438523331814323877303020447676887284957839360, 'dev3@127.0.0.1'},
>> {1096126227998177188652763624537212264741949407232, 'dev1@127.0.0.1'},
>> {1278813932664540053428224228626747642198940975104, 'dev2@127.0.0.1'},
>> {0, 'dev1@127.0.0.1'},
>> {182687704666362864775460604089535377456991567872, 'dev2@127.0.0.1'},
>> {365375409332725729550921208179070754913983135744, 'dev3@127.0.0.1'},
>> {548063113999088594326381812268606132370974703616, 'dev1@127.0.0.1'},
>> {730750818665451459101842416358141509827966271488, 'dev2@127.0.0.1'}]
>> "
>> because value "1045375627425331784151332358177649483819648417632" falls
>> between 913438523331814323877303020447676887284957839360 (partition 5)
>> and 1096126227998177188652763624537212264741949407232 (partition 6)?
>>
>> Please Riak experts help to clear my confusion here.  Why partition 6, 7,
>> 0 are on the top 3 of the list?
>>
>> Appreciate in advance.
>>
>>
>> -donald
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