Gavin & Andy, 

The TTL RDAP extension is now getting more complex with no defined value 
provided for the extension.  I have a set of questions included below:

1. Are there any ccTLDs or RIRs (non-EPP) that have the value position for 
replicating the TTL information in RDAP?  Please provide a concrete example of 
the use case for clarity.  
2. The RDAP extension is becoming an extension of the EPP extension with 
inclusion of "events" and "remarks".  How are these members set?  
3. The policy attributes of "max", "min", and "default" are useful for 
provisioning, but what is the value for them in RDAP?  

Thanks,

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On 1/5/24, 8:04 AM, "Gavin Brown" <gavin.br...@icann.org 
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Hi Andy,


> On 4 Jan 2024, at 14:22, Andrew Newton <a...@hxr.us <mailto:a...@hxr.us>> 
> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 10:20 AM Gavin Brown <gavin.br...@icann.org 
> <mailto:gavin.br...@icann.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> Do you think the ttl_values object needs an events array then?
>> 
>> To support this I would change the ttl_values object as follows:
>> 
>> "ttl": {
>> "values": {
>> "NS": 3600,
>> "DS": 60,
>> },
>> "events": [
>> {
>> "eventAction": "lastChanged",
>> "eventDate": "2012-07-23T05:15:47Z",
>> "eventActor": "registry-operator"
>> }
>> ]
>> }
> 
> I was thinking that "ttl" would be an array of objects, with each
> object containing an array of DNS RR names, a TTL, an array of events
> and an array of links. This keeps it similar to the DNSSEC data. I
> know the links thing seems silly, but it could be used to point to TTL
> policies given some registrars, INRs, etc have TTL policies.


So something like this? I've also thrown in min/default/max values as well:


"ttl": [
{
"types": ["NS", "DELEG"],
"value": 3600,
"min": 60, // optional
"default": 86400, // optional
"max": 172800, // optional
"remarks": [ ... ], // optional
"events": [ ... ] // optional
},
{
"types": ["DS"],
"value": 3600,
"remarks": [ ... ],
"events": [ ... ]
},
...
],
...


So each RRtype could have a remark which provides the policy (or a link to the 
policy) and some events.


G.


> 
> To address the JG's point, there are registries that are not run by
> EPP (ccTLDs, RIRs) and registrars don't necessarily have to follow the
> EPP data model in their own RDAP servers as far as I know. I think
> this is generally useful and I know there have been times where I need
> to know what a registrar had as a TTL vs what I was seeing in DNS.
> 
> -andy


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Principal Engineer, Global Domains & Strategy
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)


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