Hi Roger,

thanks for version 0.17! This one should solve most of our "registrar" issues 
(Hopefully, some registries plan to implement this version soon).

Some thoughts to open questions:

* Premium Domain Availability without Fee-Ext.

I would also vote to respond with "unavailable".

The status "premium" of a domain could be understood in a similar way to the 
domain status reserved, blocked or registered. Without using the fee extension, 
it's not possible to register such names, therefore they're "unavailable" for 
the registrar just like reserved names.
If we don't want to use the Fee-Ext. for a specific registry (because of 
contractual reasons or something else), we're not interested in the 
availability of premium names which we can't/won't register anyway.

Second thought: From a registry's perspective, I understand a name is always 
"available" if it is not registered, blocked or reserved, independent of any 
fees. But, ;) since EPP is a personalized communication protocol (client needs 
to login and register extensions to use), then responses should be
personalized to the client. For a client not using the fee extension, a premium 
name is technically "unavailable".


* <fee:class> in check responses

The last weeks a question regarding the <fee:class> element came up a couple of 
times.

<fee:class> is a child of <fee:command> since version 0.13, therefore section 
3.7. should be clarified.

Is <fee:class> an attribute of a specific fee or an object? There are some 
misunderstandings, especially before version 0.13, which describes "class" as a 
child of <fee:cd>. Several discussions with registries pointed out, that they 
understand <fee:class> as "attribute" of the object. This results
in conditions where a domain has a premium create but a standard renewal fee to 
be both tagged with "premium", because an object can only have one value of the 
same attribute.

As an example (from section 3.7): "The <fee:class> element which appears in 
<check> responses is used to indicate the classification of an object." should 
be changed to something like "... the classification of a command fee".

As a registrar, we need to know if a "command fee" (not an object) is premium 
(e.g. <fee:class>premium</fee:class>) or standard, if one wants to respond 
standard fees at all. Responding standard fees are in fact unnecessary, btw.


Thanks,
Andreas




Am 25.04.2017 um 23:40 schrieb Roger D Carney:
> Good Afternoon,
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> Here is the update draft document. This should include all of the agreed upon 
> changes from the Chicago meeting (biggest change was the simplification of 
> the <check> call).
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> One topic that was discussed in Chicago (and not resolved) was on the concept 
> of “premium names” and what is returned from the server if no fee extension 
> was passed into the <check>. Many thought to be more “backwards 
> compatible”/”user friendly”, especially for those registrars that do not and 
> may
> not be participating in the allocation of “premium names”, that the server 
> should respond as unavailable. Others expressed that if it is available then 
> the server should respond available. Please share your thoughts on the list 
> on this topic and if this draft should even try to account for this concept.
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> Please let me know if you have any questions.
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> Thanks
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> Roger
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> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts 
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> This draft is a work item of the Registration Protocols Extensions of the 
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>         Title           : Registry Fee Extension for the Extensible 
> Provisioning Protocol (EPP)
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>         Authors         : Roger Carney
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>                           Gavin Brown
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>                           Jothan Frakes
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>                 Filename        : draft-ietf-regext-epp-fees-03.txt
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>                 Pages           : 33
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>                 Date            : 2017-04-25
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> Abstract:
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>    This document describes an Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP)
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>    extension mapping for registry fees.
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