Robert,

> So, IMHO, I believe that:
> 1. No question is too stupid. Someone who is a member of
> our community or wants to join it is participating in that
> community.  We do not want to act like a high school
> clique.

Agreed - and I honestly think that was NOT the intention of the original
poster. He merely gave some (excellent IMHO) pointers on how to get the
answers to questions yourself or how to ask them properly. This is not
acting like a high school clique. If the teacher gives you help on an
assignment, does he/she give you the answer or explain how to find the
answer? Finding the answer yourself is most definately the best way to
remember it. I don't recall any time I've felt a question has been jumped on
for being stupid. Sometimes the question asker doesn't listen or try what
the other posters try to explain for him/her to do, and that annoys me no
doubt, but that's just laziness, not stupidity. Laziness honestly does annoy
me.

> 2. If you know a question has an answer that is easily found
> provide the relevant search term without belittling the person
> who had the temerity to ask a question. Many people of this
> list are very good at this response.

Agreed again. This is why I like the other posts on this subject. I don't
see anything wrong with telling people doing assignments (to use that
analogy), where the library is. In fact I commend it and wish it was
standard procedure when joining this list that a welcome e-mail comes up
which also explains exactly this. And maybe a reminder every month couldn't
hurt either in the scheme of things.

> 3. Remember that things simply are not as easy  on RedHat
> as they are on Winows. I've been in IT for 18 years and am
> (REALLY) intelligent and this RedHat migration has not been
> easy for me. I am on my third clean install on one of my test
> servers.  If we demand that every Linux acolyte spend an hour
> or to looking for information we can provide in a few seconds
> then we will restrict the growth of our community. There is
> power in numbers.

Fair call, but please don't make the old Windows comparison. Linux and it's
community WILL grow. There's no question about it. I'm in IT support myself,
but with over 50% of the clientelle I've got, I would (at this point) NEVER
suggest those Windows users migrate to Linux. They have a hard enough time
learning the concept of directories and 'where the stuff goes' for example.
Most people just want to get on the net and chat with relatives half-way
across the world, and for that reason, do not want to learn the ins and outs
of how to compress files as another example. Windows is just good enough for
that kind of persona, and I wouldn't wish it upon anyone to support that
same user in a Linux environment.

Having said that, the Linux community will grow with the younger generation
of more computer literate people. This is a good thing. Linux is not for
everybody, but at least the people who really WANT to step away from the
other OSs are the ones which are stepping into Linux. And because they know
the reasons behind moving over to Linux, they are prepared for a little
hardship to get there, and are mostly willing to learn how to get things
done.

So, in summary, I think the original poster was right on the money. No, we
will not belittle people if we can possibly help it, but in all fairness,
they have to make a genuine attempt to get at the answer themselves. I think
it's like over 200 messages a day we get (correct me if I'm wrong), and I
answer what I can in what little time I get during the day, but most answers
are indeed referring to google, TLDP or the like. This is not being mean,
but practical. Otherwise, indeed, we will spend all day re-solving fixed
problems.

---
Edward Dekkers (Director)
Triple D Computer Services P/L




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