Hi Jeff,

> Sorry - no.  there are literally over 30 programs capable of running
> smtp protocol which are not servers and cannot be classified as MTA's
> either.   How is using these programs a violation of the TOS?

I am not questioning the TOS.  I am questioning the allowed use of SMTP from
dynamically assigned IP addresses.

Just out of interest what are some of the programs you are thinking about?

> You and Drew are the ones playing semenatic games by trying to equate
> the use of SMTP to be equal to a server.

OK, but will you admit that in 99% cases SMTP is sent from a server?  In the
vast majority of cases it is the ISP's mailserver that is used.  Only the
people that insist on setting up their own mailservers on dynamic addresses
get affected and quite often these people don't know fully what they are
doing and cause a problem for everyone else on the Net.

> I understand the practical aspects for an ISP using this
> "killing a rabbit with tactical nuke" approach" but from an engineering
> point of view its sheer laziness and innapropriate.

To some point I do agree.

To quote Wietse from Postfix fame:
"Junk mail is war.  RFCs do not apply"

To me junk mail is war!  If by blocking dynamic addresses I can get rid of a
large percentage of junk mail to provide better service to my clients but in
the process I lose the 1% of mail coming from dynamic addresses that happens
to be legitimate then I think that is a fair and cost effective tradeoff.

There ARE alternatives to running mailservers from dynamic addresses but
some people are just too damn stubborn :)

> I have noticed in the many versions of this discussion I have seen and
> participated in that the people who think it "OK" almost always work
> for an ISP, or were people who didn't know how to protect their own
> systems from spammers.
>
> The majority of end-users who use SMTP are almost always thinking the
> opposite.

Exactly!

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