Alan Shutko wrote:
>
> >>>>> "D" == Derek Balling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> The Amiga OS contained a UI. In fact, it contained more than one.
> You were using the CLI. (Command Line Interface). That's a user
> interface.
>
> You were also using the GUI, but using it with one big window with text
> inside it. On the Amiga OS, the kernel would have probably been the
> Exec. Are you asserting that all the rest of the stuff on the OS 2.04
> disks and in the OS 2.04 ROM aren't part of the operating system?
>
> D> The SunOS boxes in my office don't use a GUI. Are they not using
> D> any Operating System?
>
> You are using a user interface, if not a graphical one. Does anyone
> ever telnet in? Do people ever use the shell?
First question: who cares? An OS is NOT required to include a UI-- it
just makes them more manageable for us to include them. If I hook some
machinery up to my box and pull out the keyboard and monitor (ok, or
compile
without console functionality), it may still act and react, but not with
a
user, per se. Does this mean that an computerized piece of machinery
without
a UI (however impractical) does NOT have an OS? of course not.
> D> Because by the definition of an operating system,
>
> That's _exactly_ what we're discussing here. I'm saying your
> definition has absolutely no basis in reality. Please quote me
> someone who says that the OS equals the kernel and nothing more.
By my understanding, Derek says that a kernel may of itself be an OS, or
it
may include other components-- tools (a UI is merely a tool).
Alan argues that a kernel alone can NOT be considered an OS, but that it
must
have all kinds of other tools bundled with it. This seems narrow.
Of course a kernel may of itself be an OS. The OS may also include
other tools,
as well.
>
> Remember: "system"=="many programs".
OK. Show me the reference on _this_ definition.
>
> --
> Alan Shutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - By consent of the corrupted
> Anyone can make an omelet with eggs. The trick is to make one with none.
Really, it's not that big an issue. But it's sorry to see people attack
others
and call their ideas "not based in reality" when their own arguments
obviously have
so many holes.
Cheers,
Lane
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RULDS2 Interphase Corporation, Systems Analysis Group
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