On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Tony Nugent wrote:
>> John, it is obvious that neither of us is lying here, but both of
>> us had very different experiences with Glint. I had so much
>> trouble with it that I gave up on it. I was told it was buggy
>
>[ ... ]
>
>They should have fixed the bugs and improved on it (or even ported
>it to a gtk/gnome interface), rather than lump us all with something
>so brain-dead and frustrating to use as it is.
I can't speak for Red Hat, but my observation is that Glint was
buggy, and a native GNOME/Gtk app would be much nicer. GNOrpm
came along, and is no less stable than glint really.. I got
bitten by gnorpm and was angry about it, however I don't think
going backwards to glint is the answer. Going forwards to
improve gnorpm where it lacks is the answer, or writing a new
application to replace it. Porting tcl/tk to gtk/gnome would be
futile - really it would be a whole new application, and gnorpm
exists allready. It would make more sense to spend the time/$$$
to make gnorpm do what is needed. I honestly don't think too
many people use gnorpm though so that could indicate why it is so
buggy. People are not likely to continue using a buggy app after
being bitten, especially for sysadmin stuff.
>> I found something, but it isn't GUI. "purp" is an ncurses based
>> RPM frontend, and it works excellent. I never had any trouble
>
>Never heard of it, but thanks for the tip.
Yep, it is full screen ncurses. I believe it was written by
Preston Brown (I think that's his name..).
3 root@asdf:~# rpm -qip /stuff/linux/purp-0.4.0-1.src.rpm
Name : purp Relocations: (not
relocateable)
Version : 0.4.0 Vendor: (none)
Release : 1 Build Date: Fri Aug
28 14:56:42 1998Install date: (not installed) Build
Host: pudas.rydnet.lysator.liu.se
Group : Utilities/System Source RPM: (none)
Size : 48028 License: GPL
Packager : Anders Karlsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
URL : http://www.lysator.liu.se/purp/
Summary : A ncurses-based RPM-handler
Description :
A ncurses-based RPM-handler which provides a fast and powerful
way to navigate, install, upgrade and uninstall RPM-packages on
text-terminal-devices.
>> At any rate, I doubt highly that they will resurrect glint, so
>> about the only thing one can do is download glint and start
>> hacking tcl/tk with no rpm documentation. ;o) Or - file
>> bugzilla reports on gnorpm. The sad thing is a bug report could
>> mean that your rpmdb just got trashed... ;o(
>
>It's not exactly buggy, just VERY POORLY designed. I mean, it just
>isn't intuiative, nor is it in any way flexable. For example, it
>demands to see your rpm database, and oftentimes it just isn't what
>you want to happen.
I agree mostly.. but it is a start to go on should someone want
to replace it. What I'd like to hear is if anyone is working on
it right now, or on a better app. I'll bet the helixcode guys
are doing something..
>So, not a bug. It needs a total re-write.
Perhaps.. I haven't looked at the source to see if it is chewtoy
material or just buggy.
> (Aside... myghod Mike, you must spend so much time reading and
> replying to all this listmail like you do. Not a criticism, just
> an observation. Makes me wonder how you manage to get anything
> else done :)
I work from home mostly. Remote administration, programming,
etc.. Since I'm online most of the time, my email comes in at
all hours. I take coding breaks to read my email and get
responses to my own questions, and fire off a few helpful answers
at the same time. Aside from work-time, I spend a lot of my own
personal time on open source projects of my own, and participate
in the lists as a hobby. I enjoy helping others on the lists,
when I find the time, so it isn't a burden. When I get
overburdened with work and life's other activities, I disappear
for a few days, weeks, or months - like my 3 month disappearance
earlier this year.. I kindof come and go.. ;o)
Work comes first, then comes volunteer time. ;o)
My RSI is a bitch though. ;o)
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