On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, Frank Hale wrote:

>> Absolutely.  That is why I recommend _against_ doing
>> carte
>> blanche search and replace
>> 's/[Rr]ed.*[Hh]at/whatever/g' on
>> things.  There is no point other than to try and
>> strip Red Hat of
>> credit due, and in the process destroy copyright
>> notices, and
>> set one's self up for possible legal trouble and an
>> angry Linux
>> community.  (See LinuxONE for a perfect example..)
>
>I agree 100%. I had no intention of replacing there
>name with my dist name everywhere. I am only
>interested in changing it where it pops up like when
>you log on and also in the boot sequence, and in a few
>other places. Most of the packages are downloaded off
>the net (ie created either by Redhat or others). I
>have no intention of defacing packages to make it look
>like I created them. At the present time what I am
>working on is mostly a patch work dist which contains
>alot of updates and some packages have been removed
>which I don't use, I've also made slight changes to a
>couple of the scripts in the initscripts package. I
>don't plan at the moment to distribute this on the
>internet, its just for me at the moment. But I don't
>want to accidentally change something that will make
>me look bad later on down the road if I deside to make
>the dist available for download.

Yep, all sounds good.  I've more or less done the same but not to
the level you seem to have done.  I havent modified the
installer, but it is just my personal copy, and ones I've given
away (very few).  All I've basically done is modified the package
lists, genhdlist, and burn.  Sorry if it seemed I was implying
that you were up to no good, but that wasn't my intention.  I was
merely pointing out that others have done so IMHO and I think it
is tasteless and unethical despite the GPL freebie status of
everything.

Any time someone wants to do something with GPL code of another
author, or to modify something like a distributed CD and
redistribute, while it isn't necessary to inform anyone, it is a
polite gesture to ask them if it is ok as sort of a courtesy
thing.  Also to give full credit where it is due.  I don't know
about Mandrake right now, but I know when they started it was
just Red Hat plus KDE, then later recompiled for Pentium
aledgedly.  I have seen a lot of Red Hat bashing put out by that
dist, and their followers saying that it is "better", as if to
bite the hand that fed them.  LinuxONE did one better and took
Mandrake and did a search and replace on it (if I understand
correctly based on an old Slashdot article).  I lost all respect
for these distributions after that.  Distributions shouldn't step
on each other or hinder each other.  It makes them look bad in
the community when they do.  That is why I respect Red Hat so
much.  They give a lot to the community that everyone can use,
and I've never heard a single Red Hat employee bad mouth another
distribution or seen any thing of the sort tied to RHL.

Although you can't technically "steal" GPL code if you use it and
abide by the GPL licence, some people out there have come about
as close to "theft" as you can get ethically.

Of course, this is all IMHO though...  Just irks me to see
someone try to pull one over on someone or some company that 
is doing good for the community.

Well good luck with getting your dist going.  Take care!
TTYL



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