On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Matt Fahrner wrote:
>Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:55:05 -0400
>From: Matt Fahrner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Acrobat Color Flashing
>
>I probably shouldn't, but I will...
>
>Mike,
>
>Thank you very much for a letter which could be best typified as
>offensive and arrogant. You are welcome to your opinion but I will
>continue to disagree and I will be more than happy if you filter my
>mail.
Well, when someone acts like they are the only one who matters
out there, I like to give a piece of my mind. If everyone goes
on their own way and makes their own standards instead of
following common defacto standards for public communication via
email, then problems like this arise. If you don't want to play
fair with everyone else here, why should we play fair with you?
If you're willing to overlook personal issues here, and look at
everyone else on this list too, you might gain more respect. I
would be more than happy to apologize and forget the whole issue,
if you would be kind enough to comply with common netiquette.
>Many people using Netscape Messenger include these attachments and are
>not going to go through the special effort of turning them off before
>posting them to list-servers.
What is easier, turning off the attachments, or getting into
large time wasting flamewars because you end up pissing off
people by not following the Netiquette guidelines? Some mailing
lists remove people who don't follow suit with the defacto.
>No one else has complained and the amount of vehemence that you
>display is no where near the "faux pas" that I may or may have
>not committed.
No one else? Does someone NEED to complain EVERY SINGLE
time? Would you prefer it if every single time someone posts
something that is poor netiquette that all 500 list members
complain to them?
Just follow the rules and it doesn't upset people.
>I appologize to anyone who is unhappy about my standard Messenger
>attachment. I can only hope any others who I have made unhappy will
>complain in a more diplomatic fashion.
Well, I can be good about things too. I apologize for offending
you by method of my complaint. I mean that. Just please take a
step back for a minute and try to see it from the other side of
the fence. It gets frustrating when you're on 40 mailing lists
and are getting a whackload of unnecessary file attachments from
people posting VCARD, WINMAIL.DAT, HTML, 4k picture of their
family on the bottom of every message, replying to a 60k message
digest, including the WHOLE DIGEST, and saying "I agree" or "me
too". Add to that the SPAM, and other annoyances, and sometimes
you get quite upset with people about it. If the trend
continues, and everyone does what they want, then the work that
the Internet has done in bringing people _together_ as a team
such as Linux for example, will be undone by people refusing to
co-operate and maintain a level of standard for communication.
It is not often that I lash out at people like that, but it does
happen sometimes, especially after getting blasted with SPAM and
stuff like I said earlier. I have to download all that
stuff. One 3k attachment wont kill me, but I get at least 50 or
more a day if not more. I try to filter things out with procmail
as much as possible, but it seems I end up editing procmail
recipe's more often than reading mail. Believe me, it is
frustrating. I miss the good days of PINE running on VAX in VMS
in 1993 when the average person never heard of the Internet, and
there was no such thing as even the Web or HTML. The level of
courtesy and netiquette back then was second to none. It was a
day I'm afraid is gone though. People look at what is good for
them, and disregard what effects others. Human nature I suppose.
At any rate, once again, I apologize for the offending reaction,
and hope that you may now understand why it occured a bit better.
I'm hoping that you'll set up your mailer in a non-disruptive way
to mailing lists, but I wont push the issue with you any more. I
leave the ball in your court to decide what to do. I think we
understand each other here a bit more now.
Truce?
Take care,
TTYL
--
Mike A. Harris Linux advocate
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