On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Matt Wilson wrote:
>> >None of them was developed by us (and we can't pick the licenses other
>> >people choose) - all the stuff we develop ourselves is GPL or LGPL.
>>
>> Right, I knew that, but I knew that RedHat did sell stuff (at
>> least in the past) that was non-GPL, but also out of house. The
>> last RedHat developed non-GPL thing I remember was Red Baron.
>
>Red Hat did not develop Red Baron. It was developed by Spyglass
>(Spyglass Moasic anyone? :)
Hmmm. I wasn't aware of that at all. I ran it once, said YIKES,
and then dumped it... ;o) No offense guys.. I dove for
netscape immediately and never looked back.
>> Not that any of that was a bad thing mind you.. just different
>> than the current day..
>
>Still, even then no code for it was written or maintained by us.
Sure... <grin> nobody wants to admit to it eh? ;o)
Some programs are just best kept in /dev/null... ;o)
>> So, does _all_ redhat software currently developed use GPL or
>> LGPL now? If so, I wasn't aware of that, but I think it is extra
>> cool to see. I think most non-GPL/LGPL developments in Linux
>> land are more or less ignored by most people nowadays unless they
>> are using another licence similar in nature.. I dropped Motif a
>> long time back due to licence voodoo.
>
>The license depends on the the software being developed. Not just GPL
>or LGPL, but XFree86 license if we're working on X code, etc. I'm
>surprised people don't know this, we must be doing a piss-poor job
>leting people know our stance on licenses.
Oh no, not at all. Of course X is using its own licence. I'm
just not getting my own thoughts across clearly.. What I really
meant to say is more along the lines of:
Does redhat produce or contribute to any software at all that
is commercial and closed source, or uses a license that doesn't
comply to FSF/OpenSource guidelines?
That is more what I was interested in... just for curiousity
sake. Considering the amount of work RedHat does for the world
of open source software, and in particular GPL/LGPL software,
should they decide to release something under a license that was
not as open, I'd consider it acceptable. I suspect that that
won't be the case though, but would certainly respect it if it
happened.
>> Hmm.. I wasn't aware of that either. I've always assumed that
>> RedHat's installer, and all the stuff on the boot disks, and
>> installation, and distribution were GPL/LGPL/BSD/ or other
>> similar OS licence except for certain specific packages like
>> netscape/xv, and few others..
>
>The installer is GPL. We haven't shipped Xv in a long time, as it's
>shareware and there is no talk on it being Free any time soon.
Yep, I remember. As soon as electric eyes was functional, it
replaced xv. I added xv back in on my setup because 'ee' didn't
do everything xv did, but I like the fact that RedHat has been
cleaning the distribution to be open-source pure. Once Netscape
is gone (if ever) and replaced by Mozilla, etc.. (if that
happens) then we'll be completely Open Source, no?
>Netscape has been the big exception since they began to allow
>no-strings redistribution of Navigator and Communicator.
Right.
>> I've modified the redhat installer, and various files found in
>> the install disk sources myself. I'm assuming that my
>> assumptions are correct that it is all GPL and I'm legal beagle
>> to do so. Correct me if I'm wrong please.
>
>You're absolutely within the rights we've licensed to you to modify
>and redistribute those modifications to the installer. It's Free
>Software, erm, Open Source...
Yet another reason for people to choose RH over other competing
products. If I were to have to write my own installer, I'd
probably not bother.. ;o) Thanks guys! ;o)
Kickstart is wonderful as hell also. Makes automating customized
installs a breeze.
--
Mike A. Harris Linux advocate
Computer Consultant GNU advocate
Capslock Consulting Open Source advocate
I've overclocked my keyboard interface. It's quite messy dipping my
hands into the mineral oil, but *MAN* is my keyboard ever fast now!
- Anonymous Coward
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