Having just upgraded a couple of systems to Red Hat 6.2, let me compliment the developers for a job well done. I do, however, have a suggestion for improving the user-friendliness of the installer. Here is the crux of the issue: Philosophically, An "upgrade" of a system basically involves replacing outdated packages with new ones. If entirely new packages exist in the new system that were not present in the old one, a choice has to be made as to whether or not to install it. There are a few ways one could deal with this: a) Install the new packages automatically. Give the user the ability to use the "Customize packages" option to de-select the packages. b) Don't install the packages automatically, and give the user the ability to manually select the packages vi the customize package facility. c) Provide a "check box" to toggle between: - Upgrade existing packages, and install those packages I don't have - Upgrade existing packages, and install nothing else Option a) would annoy those who have carefully setup their systems with only that software they really need. Option b) annoys those people who have plenty of disk space, and want everything so that they can play with all the software available. Option c) would help in either case. Red Hat appears to have adopted strategy b). And it annoys me. Not so much because of the philosophy (I've got no problems with that), but because of the implementation of the "customize packages" facility. Here is what is wrong with it (IMHO, of course): - If a package is NOT marked for upgrade, the user is given no indication WHY. Do I already have a recent version? Is this a new package that I don't have? This is a big, fat, royal pain in the butt for those of us who want to install everything. The only way to ensure that I get all the toys is to go through and select ALL unselected packages ONE BY ONE. - Selected packages are marked with a RED "check". Red is a poor choice, as our society has been trained to associate 'red' with 'trouble'. There are also problems with the graphical design in here - after looking at screens of dozens of packages with some checks and some not, my eyes become tired, and it requires more and more concentration as the process proceeds. So, with the above as motivation, I humbly suggest that Red Hat should enhance the installer by implementing one or more of the following: - Provide the upgrade-equivalent of the "install everything" option available for fresh installs. This could be done, e.g., by adding the check-box I described in solution b) above. - Make it clear to the user WHY a package isn't marked for upgrade. There needs to be three types of marks in the package selection, telling the user: "Current Package is OK, No Upgrade Needed", "Current Package is Old, Will Upgrade" and "Package Not Installed". Whether or not "Package Not Installed" results in installation or not could depend on the aforementioned check-box. - Improve the graphics on the package selection screens to be easier on the eye/brain. Get rid of RED check marks. Comments?? -matt ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matthew Nelson Dynamics Technology, Inc. 21311 Hawthorne Blvd., Suite 300, Torrance, CA 90503-5610 Voice: (310) 543-5433 FAX: (310) 543-2117 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null