I'm gonna add that the ASCO is the way to go. They offer both normal ATS and with a service entrance rated breaker. I have dozens out there on GTBB systems. What I really like about them is you can adjust a pot so that there is little to no time delay in which the home switches over to battery. Unlike a generator where you need a bit of time before the connection. Clients have called to inform me that sometimes the switch over happens so quickly their electronic devices aren't even aware of a grid outage let alone the client themselves. That's my 2 cents.
Have a great weekend, Christopher On Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at 2:12 PM Kevin Pegg via RE-wrenches < re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: > We used to work with / recommend ASCO, but no longer. We had a site with > dual ASC8000’s 400A 3 phase units switching between Gen 1 and Gen 2. > Control board sensor problems arose and it failed to auto transfer back > from Gen 2-1 due to sensor issues. Had to get client to open cabinet and > affect a manual transfer. > > > > Despite having the extended warranty, they didn’t provide us service when > requested. They also refused to sell us the board to replace. They didn’t > refuse outright, just kept making appointments, failing to show up, one > excuse after the other. The site was a 15 minute boat ride on a commercial > water taxi and that was their latest excuse. Extremely unprofessional. We > lost this client partially due to this. > > > > Kevin > > > > *From:* RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> *On > Behalf Of *Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches > *Sent:* September-20-24 8:45 AM > *To:* RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> > *Cc:* Jerry Shafer <jerrysgarag...@gmail.com> > *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] ATS Brand Recommendations > > > > Wrenches, > > If you are looking for a very good ATS, you need to look at ASCO that's > what they do, from small less than 100 amp to high voltage multi 1000 amp > units, they are a simple 2 wire start, l also use the Kohler products with > no issues, l have AC Coupled off grid, DC Coupled on grid > > Fun times > > > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2024, 8:36 AM August Goers via RE-wrenches < > re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: > > Hi Sam - > > > > It's been probably 6 or 8 years since I've selected a 3rd party automatic > transfer switch, but we used to use Briggs & Stratton products with good > results: > > > > > https://energy.briggsandstratton.com/na/en_us/homeowners/products/standby-generators/transfer-switches-and-accessories.html > > > > At least at the time, these had internal circuitry to do the transfer > between grid and offgrid operation with a pre-programmed delay of about 10 > or 20 seconds. We paired these frequently with Sunny Islands. > > > > Now that the major ESS manufacturers have Microgrid Interconnect Devices > (MIDs) for their systems, we don't have any reason to use these. > > > > Best, > > > > August > > Luminalt > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at 7:35 AM Sam Haraldson via RE-wrenches < > re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: > > Wrenches, > > > > We are primarily a grid-tied solar EPC but like many solar companies have > a long history with small off-grid installations. In the past few years we > have been tackling a handful of large, complex, grid-tied battery-backup > systems (sub 90 kwh) range with some working flawlessly and some plagued > with weekly quirks. A weak link we've found in two of these installations > was our choice to use Generac Automatic Transfer Switches. In order for > this ATS to sense a grid outage and perform its transfer it relies on > circuitry built into a Generac generator as well as a source of 12v power > (typically the generator start battery). > > > > One of our sites doesn't have a generator at all and the other does, but > the grid sensing circuitry in the ATS is bypassed as we want the Sol-Arks > to be the first-line of power during an outage and not the generator. In > order to accomplish this our electrician designed custom circuitry for grid > sensing which is powered by a separate 12v source, has a 10 second delay, > and flips the transfer switch during an outage placing the loads under the > control of the Sol-Arks. > > > > Our initial design for these systems did not take into consideration that > a Generac ATS doesn't have its own "brains" to grid sense and since we are > now relying on a small custom circuit and a small external 12v power supply > to act as a key player in an otherwise powerful and robust backup system we > are second guessing our equipment choice. What ATS solutions are Wrenches > employing that we should be considering? > > > > TL;DR - what are the simplest ATS solutions that sense the grid > (frequency, voltage, et al) and self-switch between backup and grid power > automatically? > > > > Sincerely, > > Sam > > > > > > [image: OnSite Energy] > <https://www.google.com/url?q=https://onsiteenergyinc.com/&source=gmail-html&ust=1677085494759000&usg=AOvVaw2NN36GoM1sjnS4RdC8Svt-> > > *SAM HARALDSON * > > Operations Specialist > > (406) 551-6135 > > 1515 N. 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