I always try to talk the client into hydronic heating with ECM drive circulation pumps.  They do make ECM drive blower motors that can be retrofitted in some furnace systems.  Overall, its just a bad combination off grid: the worse the weather is the less PV production you have, and this corresponds to the same time that the furnace is operating 12 hours/ night.  They are either running the generator a bunch, or waking up in the morning to a cold house with the power off, and dead batteries.  If its an AC coupled system, they won't even have any PV production the next morning either.  This is another reason AC coupled is not a great idea, or at least you need to always have some DC coupled PV as well, but I digress......

Ray Walters
Remote Solar
303 505-8760

On 8/23/18 5:43 PM, Dana wrote:

Drake,

All the conventional units I have amp clamped over the years are pushing 900-900+ watts per hour. I do not recommend them ever & to date I have never found a lower wattage blower. I would assume that a permanent magnet motor would fit this suggestion, but I have not found one.

For off grid I recommend: Radiant floor heat first and hot water base board second long before hot air. Air is a better insulator than a heat transfer agent.

The new ECM (electronically commutated motors) pump motors are basically at DC permanent magnet motor power draws [Taco & Grundfoss] these days.

Best of luck with this one.

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*From:* RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> *On Behalf Of *Drake
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*Subject:* [RE-wrenches] Forced air Furnace

    Hello Wrenches,

    What is the best choice for a propane, forced air furnace for an
    off grid house? We would prefer one that doesn't have a phantom
    load, although the transformer for the thermostat may not be
    avoidable. Low blower current would be preferable. The furnace AC
    will be powered by a Magnum 4448 PAE.

    Thank you,

    Drake

    Drake Chamberlin
    /Athens Electric LLC
    OH License 44810
    CO License 3773
    NABCEP Certified Solar PV
    740-448-7328
    /http://athens-electric.com/



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