There are many different levels of "sales presentations" we do depending on the viability of the project. If it's a garden variety interest in solar, we create a layout that anticipates the quantity of modules that will fit on the roof in either 2D or 3D. For the everyday sales lead, we just need scaled imagery with good resolution and a reasonably accurate roof pitch to get incredibly accurate layouts, even when obstructions exist. That is what we have lost with Sketchup's Add Location feature going to poor quality imagery. Sending someone to the site is obviously the Holy Grail in terms of accurate system sizing, but it's also expensive. In my mind, there is no substitute for super clear, scaled, plan view imagery. You can do so much with that. The drive toward 3D computer simulated imagery by major data providers is pushing the envelope of technology but doesn't necessarily satisfy the need for accurate solar layouts nor producing great sales presentations showing superimposed renovations (yet).
On the other end of the spectrum, we can do a 3D survey of the building using a drone and then superimpose solar panels on the building like the attached picture. This is super precise. This is clearly more expensive than a ladder and a tape measure, but the value in terms of sales presentations is tremendous. [image: Inline image 1] On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 8:31 PM, Glenn Burt <glenn.b...@glbcc.com> wrote: > We have never used it like that. We measure a structure, then build a > model of it, place it on a map, and wrap the house around the structure. It > is more for helping a customer visualize the result with solar on their > home than for performing measurements. > We also use it the same way to pass on to the crew where conduit and BOS > equipment go, and in many cases, fit before they arrive on site. > > -Glenn > > -----Original Message----- > From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On > Behalf Of Jason Szumlanski > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 5:45 PM > To: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> > Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software > > I totally agree, but the roof extents were previously very accurate using > the Add Location tool imagery from Google - close enough to make a 3D > mockup without external dimensioning tools. Now you can't "trace" the roof > to get accurate dimensions with the fuzzy imagery. Those dimensions need to > come from another source. > > Jason > > > On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Glenn Burt <glenn.b...@glbcc.com> wrote: > > > Jason, > > Like others, we too have found the image quality lacking, however for > > the simple quotes we do, it has been more bonus to have the imagery > > than simply the dwelling mock-up as part of the proposal. > > > > Glenn > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] > > On Behalf Of Jason Szumlanski > > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 9:22 AM > > To: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> > > Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software > > > > Glenn, > > > > How are you dealing with the new inferior imagery from Digital Globe > > now that Sketchup's contract with Google for imagery is dead? In my > > area, it's totally unusable. I'm having to pull in imagery from other > > sources and scale it, which is not as accurate as the Add Location > feature in Sketchup. > > > > Jason > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 6:02 PM, Glenn Burt <glenn.b...@glbcc.com> > wrote: > > > > > Sketch-up still working great for us. > > > > > > -Glenn > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] > > > On Behalf Of Chad Waits > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 1:33 PM > > > To: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> > > > Subject: [RE-wrenches] Array Mock-up Software > > > > > > Wrenches, > > > > > > Wondering what you folks are using for array mock-ups in your > > > proposal tools. Since Bright Harvest¹s array-o-metic went black, > > > we¹ve tried Aurora and Helioscope, but they seem to be too time > > > consuming and functionally more than what we need. All we¹re looking > > > to do is place some simulated modules on a satellite photo with a > > > program that is simple enough for a salesman to use. 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<https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/37bde7a9691aba774a3ff9ff6b70ccb6e2e44dd6?url=http%3A%2F%2F2F2Flists.re-wrenches.org&userId=1613865&signature=dd8a526e4872112b> > &userId=1613865&signature= > > 010b45c1ade30ab6> > > %2Foptions.cgi%2Fre-wrenches > > > -re-wrenches.org > <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/e43d70fddc390ca7214f5d496993bbff170ba846?url=http%3A%2F%2Fre-wrenches.org&userId=1613865&signature=3146a6add68f8bc8> > > <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/4fb8fd04841a08fcd21a7131c939ced1a3b5c > <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/f608c2bb282f16d08612ab6976338130c5fb142a?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmailtrack.io%2Ftrace%2Flink%2F4fb8fd04841a08fcd21a7131c939ced1a3b5c&userId=1613865&signature=db2580b7b3904b28> > > 3f1?url=http%3A%2F%2Fre-wrenches.org&userId=1613865&signature=7a764a36 > > 04270270> &userId=1613865&signature=10c302b0b37a73e4> > > > > > > List-Archive: > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches > 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<https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/aa1873a6916c866b548c166c89c9e564e1bd7 > <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/37d3db2b0d46a002aca046f79ec6ffc5e581ffd0?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmailtrack.io%2Ftrace%2Flink%2Faa1873a6916c866b548c166c89c9e564e1bd7&userId=1613865&signature=24e717eb5237c03a> > > caa?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.re-wrenches.org > <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/600b4af54ab180dbaf7c669ebb8771830dad8cb8?url=http%3A%2F%2F2Fwww.re-wrenches.org&userId=1613865&signature=e2f26f14590459c4> > %2Fetiquette.htm&userId=161386 > > 5&signature=658a94939ac032ea> > > > > Check out or update participant bios: > > www.members.re-wrenches.org > <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/df92a0f3f55d18b51a9f862dd77c2b6ac2124b5a?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.members.re-wrenches.org&userId=1613865&signature=25783fbdd188a744> > > <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/fc5cff2674d16e12bfd70efe1aa938c715123 > 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