I did a few projects for Yosemite. Then I used the EU6500i which is now the EU7000i. Never had anyone ask. and that you will find is the issue. In my county of Mariposa they will issue a certificate of occupancy on a house running a generator for final approval. Pretty lax about it all. If I go across the county line into Tuolumne everything is hard to do. Geeze an offgrid generator...Use Honda or design so that you don't need one :)
Dave Angelini / Offgrid Solar > Hi Gary and All â > > > > We looked into the EcoGen unit, but the 6kW is discontinued and the 15kW > EcoGen is not rated to be sold in California. Bummer. > > > > Speaking of California, do any of you know about the CARB compliance > issues > on selecting a generator for an offgrid renewable project? We had one > generator rep tell us that only a Tier 4F CARB generators are legal for > use > with offgrid in California, but I canât find anything online to clarify. > Since this project is in the National Parks, we need to make sure we > donât > have any compliance issues. If anyone knows anything about what kind of > CARB compliance is or isnât required, Iâd love to hear about it. > > > > Cheers! > > > > August > > > > *From:* RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On > Behalf Of *Gary Willett > *Sent:* Friday, June 16, 2017 7:58 AM > *To:* re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Generator choice for Sunny Island > > > > AUGUST: > > The Generac EcoGen is dual-fuel capable (NG or LP), comes in 6kW and 15kW > versions, is 2-wire start, can be field-configured for either 120V or > 240V. > It's not "portable" as it does not have wheels. It's transportable though > based on its footprint and weight. Also, it was specifically designed and > warranteed for off-grid applications. > > Regards, > > Gary Willett PE > Icarus Engineering LLC > > On 6/16/17 9:36 AM, Kevin Pegg wrote: > > You could use a 2 -> 3 wire converter such as the Atkinson GSCM module > that > will take the 2 wire output from the SI and convert to 3-wire to control a > gasoline generator such as the Honda EU7000 series, or Cummins/Onan makes > a > good line of gasoline generators. It may be very hard to find a gas > generator that has 2 wire native remote start. That is more common with > larger propane or diesel generators. > > > > Kevin > > > > *From:* RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org > <re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org>] *On Behalf Of *August Goers > *Sent:* June-16-17 7:22 AM > *To:* RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> > <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> > *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Generator choice for Sunny Island > > > > Thanks for the good feedback folks! > > > > We are using a Sunny Island setup because we had access to a free Sunny > Island and Sunny Boy being scrapped from another site. Otherwise I was > definitely planning on going with a Outback DC coupled system. > > > > I think the trick here is trying to find a portable generator that has a > two-wire start option. Iâm looking through the usual genny suppliers and > nothing has presented itself so far. Anyway, Iâll keep looking and will > check out Chrisâ suggestion on the nexus controller and Generac propane > unit as well. > > > > FYI, here is a link to what the portal is like. Itâs going in National > Park > land by the Golden Gate Bridge so I hope we can pull it together! > http://www.sharedstudios.com/ > > > > August > > Luminalt > > > > > > *From:* RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On > Behalf Of *Chris Mason > *Sent:* Friday, June 16, 2017 4:56 AM > *To:* RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> > *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Generator choice for Sunny Island > > > > To my limited mind, the whole 120V sunny island setup is a disaster. Why > not install a DC coupled 8KW Outback Radian and solve all your problems. > USe any 240V generator, although finding a 2 wire start gasoline unit may > be hard. I would use a Nexus controller generac propane generator with > propane tank, all mounted on the container. I would never design anything > to use gasoline, it's too dangerous. > > > > On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 7:19 AM, Matthew Sirum <matthewsi...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Greetings August, > > Great thoughts and comments from Brian! I would also suggest speaking > with the generator manufacturers' tech/engineering folks regarding the > 120VAC configuration and to confirm 2-wire start set up once you have > a brand and model or two in mind. Generator parts and service > availability in the region of the project may also drive brand > selection. If you need to maximize the inverter's battery charging > capabilities (depending on battery system charging requirements) you > may end up needing to look at generators in the 7.5 kW to 8.0 kW > capacity range to allow for headroom in generator output loading. > > Also; I am curious how you arrived at an AC coupled design for this > project. I do not know any of the details or specific projects goals > you are working with, but I would potentially consider a DC coupled > system design... DC/DC charge controller(s) would keep the battery > system charged (and any DC loads operable) even if the Sunny Island > and/or Sunny Boy(s) have a failure or is taken offline. If most of > the AC loads are 120VAC I would consider keeping the inverter AC > output circuit 120VAC and install a dedicated transformer solely for > the 240VAC load.... Or perhaps consider a 120/240VAC inverter model. > Depending on the overall situation a DC coupled system could be more > resilient. The dedicated transformer for the 240VAC load could also > potentially help make the system more robust. Also; I have spoken > with a number of folks who have told me they wish the Sunny Island had > more/better features for generator integration. I'd like to hear more > from those who have plenty of experience designing and installing > systems with Sunny Islands and generators to learn what the current > thoughts and issues are. > > I hope some of these thoughts may be helpful. > > Best regards, > > ----MATT > > Matthew Sirum > P.O. Box 1227 > Greenfield, MA 01302-1227 USA > phone: +1.413.773.0611 > email: matthewsi...@gmail.com > > > -------- Original Message Below -------- > > [RE-wrenches] Generator choice for Sunny Island > August Goers august at luminalt.com > Thu Jun 15 09:02:41 PDT 2017 > > Hi Wrenches, especially those of you who work on off-grid projects, > > We have an upcoming off-grid project where we will be powering a storage > container with electronics in it. The loads are mostly 120 volt but there > is a 240 volt heat pump that might occasionally run. Weâre AC coupling > the > Sunny Island with a Sunny Boy PV inverter. So, weâll be installing a > Outback PSX-240 autoformer to bump the Sunny Islandâs output from 120 to > 240 volt. > > We need to select a generator for backup. We need a two-wire electric > start > (in order to be controlled by the Sunny Island) and preferably a generator > that is okay just running 120 volt loads since the Sunny Islands input is > only 120 volt. Something in the 3 kVA -7 kVA range should be fine. > > Does anyone have experience or ideas about what kind of two-wire start > generator we might select? > > Thanks, > > August > > Luminalt > _______________________________________________ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org > > > > > > -- > > Chris Mason > > NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer⢠> > Solar Design Engineer > > Generac Generators Industrial technician > > > > www.cometsolar.com <http://www.cometenergysystems.com> > > 264.235.5670 > > 869.662.5670 > > Skype: netconcepts > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > > > Change listserver email address & settings: > > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > > > List-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html > > > > List rules & etiquette: > > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > > > Check out or update participant bios: > > www.members.re-wrenches.org > _______________________________________________ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org > > Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar "we go where powerlines don't" http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ e-mail offgridso...@sti.net text 209 813 0060 _______________________________________________ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
