HI Dan,

If you are doing 24v battery or below, you should be able to ignore the battery 
rapid shutdown part.
IE under 30v

jay

peltz power

On Aug 30, 2014, at 2:04 PM, Dan Fink wrote:

> Dave; I feel your pain as do many others.
> I feel like I've been Rick-rolled on the whole 690.12 thing. As a 
> firefighter, I thought rapid shutdown was a great idea for roof mounted 
> arrays. Shut down fast from a central location on the ground, get up on the 
> roof, do what needs to be done, fast and no worries other than the fire 
> itself.
> 
> But disconnects hanging 15 feet in the air? Allowed to mount them in the 
> attic through a locked door to a disused lavatory behind a file cabinet 
> labeled "beware of the leopard?" - meets code.
> Rapid shutdown for ground mount arrays? Just walk over to the danged thing 
> and throw the clearly-labeled disconnects, the central signage told you where 
> they are. Problem solved.
> All just plain silly, counterproductive and expensive for the homeowner. As I 
> work exclusively with off-grid systems, most of them ranging from small to 
> tiny, I've been seeing their potential client's eyes go wide as dinner plates 
> when I inform them "By the way, Colorado just adopted NEC 2014, and it'll be 
> an extra $1500 to comply, sorry that's a 33% increase in your system 
> cost......"
> What's happening in the real world is folks getting the household 120/240 AC 
> wiring signed off as "powered by gasoline generator" and they do the solar 
> later, and change the gate combo so the inspector can't come back. Now 
> *that's* counterproductive.
> 
> Robin, glad to hear clarifications are coming in 2017. 
> 
> Dan Fink
> Buckville Energy
> IREC Certified Instructorâ„¢ - PV Installation Professional and Small Wind 
> Installer
> 970.672.4342
> 
>  
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Dave Click <davecl...@fsec.ucf.edu> wrote:
> While I share Robin's optimism, I should also note the "NEC 2017 690.12 
> committee" referred to is not the code making panel. While it does have (at 
> least) one firefighter representative among a majority of PV industry 
> personnel, there's no guarantee that the Code Making Panel approves this 
> committee's proposal. There could very well be a competing proposal from 
> firefighters that requires cell-level shutdown every time a red truck drives 
> within 1/4 mile of an array, because "SAFETY!"
> 
> DKC
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