I've found that instead of insulting them, I just let them talk about it
for a while. Then usually they mention what a pain it is, and how
unreliable, and then I gently point to the various potential fire
hazards, and that even though 12 vdc can't electrocute you, it sure can
start fires....
I still walk away from some of them, but many I turn into full rewires.
I reuse their equipment, give ridiculous trade in credit on their old
stuff, and then once they feel like they're being treated fair, I can
install a good system for them, and make a living at it, too.
R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760
On 12/16/2013 9:14 AM, Bob-O Schultze wrote:
Dan,
Better he be insulted than you get blamed for the fire. I pass on
things like this too.
Bob-O
On Dec 16, 2013, at 4:42 AM, <d...@foxfire-energy.com
<mailto:d...@foxfire-energy.com>> wrote:
This is actually pretty clean compared to some DIY systems. We have a
local broadcast engineer up here running an old 12v DR and 20
something L16. He has a tangled mat of various wires and cables on the
walls and ceiling of his "Power Room" at least 3" thick (in the thin
spots). He recently hired us to install 1800W of PV on an out
building (500' away), and planed on moving power at 12v between the
two buildings on an old piece of broadcast coaxial cable at least 4"
in diameter. Seems I insulted him when I suggested he rip it all out
and start over..
Dan Brown
Foxfire Energy Corp.
Renewable Energy Systems
(802)-483-2564
www.Foxfire-Energy.com <http://www.Foxfire-Energy.com/>
NABCEP #092907-44
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Entertainment: A contrarian approach to off
grid PV
From: "William Miller" <will...@millersolar.com
<mailto:will...@millersolar.com>>
Date: Mon, December 16, 2013 1:02 am
To: <al...@positiveenergysolar.com
<mailto:al...@positiveenergysolar.com>>, "'RE-wrenches'"
<re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
<mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>>
Allan:
Very interesting, but he lost me when he asked for Bud!
William
PS: Also, don't walk into the shed carrying a rake, you will fry
yourself.
Wm
*From:*re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org
<mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org>
[mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On Behalf Of
*Allan Sindelar
*Sent:* Sunday, December 15, 2013 8:04 PM
*To:* RE-wrenches
*Subject:* [RE-wrenches] Entertainment: A contrarian approach to
off grid PV
Wrenches,
A "maybe customer" sent me this link to a Google video about his
Grandpa's homegrown PV system. It takes a very different approach
than the industry has gone. Apparently it works, although it lends
itself far more to educated homebrew than to something a company
would do for a customer. He told me his grandpa was an electrical
engineer. It's a funky homemade video but entertaining. The first
45 seconds can be skipped as it's about beer preference.
24 golf cart batteries in a 12v system, with two diodes per string
to prevent uneven charging and discharging;
What appears to be about 2700 watts of PV, plus two unknown wind
gennies.
After first viewing the video I sent back this response:
I saw the video - very nice. Your gramps has created his own
unique approach and has done a very good job. This is the way off
grid PV was done twenty and more years ago, although few back then
had the level of knowledge and sophistication he has. The industry
has gone in very different directions; indeed, he couldn't do what
he has done for someone else's home if he needed it to be
inspected. Unless you object, I'd like to share the link to the
video with other installers nationally; I'd be interested in their
responses on seeing such a contrarian approach.
There was no objection to sharing in the reply, but please treat
it with respect.
Enjoy!
_https://plus.google.com/105317412194765993553/posts/c9hE6GpXKAi_
Allan
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*Allan Sindelar*
_Allan@positiveenergysolar.com_ <mailto:al...@positiveenergysolar.com>
NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional
NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional
New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician
Founder, *Positive Energy, Inc.*
A Certified B Corporation^TM
3209 Richards Lane
Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507
*505 424-1112 office 780-2738 cell *
_www.positiveenergysolar.com_ <http://www.positiveenergysolar.com/>
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