Certification is just a business, whether it's for computer Techs or Solar Installers, and they seem to be entities unto themselves. I have heard all the arguments for certs, but like you said some folks don't test well but are knowledgeable others test well but are clueless as to practical applications.
Back a decade or so ago I taught Computer Tech certification (A+) at our local university. In one class that I taught I had 23 network admins (Employed as such) and managing large networks. Only three tested and one passed. The point is all were capable network admins. The real question is... how does one prove their expertise? Especially to the general public. I have seen some real nightmarish off grid systems setup by NABCEP installers and Non-NABCEP as well. It is a problem and though I don't believe in certification, I also don't have an alternative suggestion either. Kind Regards Tom Duffy Senior Solar Design Engineer Toll Free 888-895-8179 t...@thesolar.biz For: Customer Service and Accounting 888-895-6810 Grid tie sales 888-895-7847 Off Grid sales 888-895-7765 Other Product Sales 888-895-9612 Shipping and Receiving 888-895-6497 Tech Support 888-895-8179 From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Dana Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 12:04 PM To: 'RE-wrenches' Subject: [RE-wrenches] NABCEP NABCEP has been a strangely quiet subject on this forum. FYI - I checked with our honorable moderator prior to posting this. If we are attempting to expand the field of "certified" installer and designers why is NABCEP run the way it is? Getting the NABCEP cert and living in w.CO has been a virtual nightmare & living where I do and having to travel 7 hours each way, stay in a hotel etc, this is a joke. I may be in the minority but point to make here. Beyond that I became a wrench because I do not test well [avoided a 4 year degree] yet I can outline a schematic for electrical or plumbing in my head and build it the first time correctly. The test schedule and availability - NABCEP needs to open up to local proctoring, libraries, schools, etc. 2 tests a Year? Electricians can re- test 24 or 48 hours? later and use a variety of resources. Why can we not? When an electrician tests they get their results as they walk out of the test room. Why do we have to wait 6 weeks? The NEC book is the only reference material at the test when is not doing a trade about knowing your resources and utilizing them? From what I understand any number of professions and trades get to use several resource books. You would think we were going to be secret agents or the like. I have done off grid for 24 years. Most NABCEP folk who are GT only have not a clue as to battery based design and should not be allowed to do the same. I am "certified" and probably very competent up to 50KW would be just fine but 100KW or 1MW? This is probably not a brilliant idea without a backup coach. Questions on 3 phase on the test? I would ask my licensed master electrician yet we are asked several questions on 3 phase. I have asked masters and they have had to go look up the answer. I would suggest a basic GT cert up to 50KW with a supplemental for >50kw and a separate adder for off grid. Tests every 2 month or on a scheduled basis with you local librarian I fly my NABCEP cert in the bathroom and upside down. It is in distress, stinks, and needs help. The re-wrenches is strangely silent on this much damaged product called certification. I see some major issues and would like to start a discussion about how it is managed. I think it needs rethinking. Thanks for considering & your opinion? Dana Orzel - Great Solar Works, Inc - E - d...@solarwork.com<mailto:d...@solarwork.com> - V 970.626.5253 F - 970.626.4140 C - 970.209.4076 web - www.solarwork.com<http://www.solarwork.com> "Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988" P Please consider the environment before printing this email
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