I was talking to a fellow at ASES conference about the UL training, he compared 
it to my course, He said it was a joke, the instructor did not have the 
understanding of the potential problems with DC and it appeared he may not have 
enen ever installed a system. He was greatly disapointed.  Perhaps they are 
just cutting their teeth, on solar, and will get better.  Of course I teach a 
NABCEP directed course, but my union has asked me to look into UL
Darryl 

From: boB Gudgel <b...@midnitesolar.com>
To: glenn.b...@glbcc.com; RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] UL PV certification?



This is an interesting observation regarding this that we heard about.....
boB



We have a friend from Washington State that also took the UL class. The 
instructor was not a UL employee, but rather a professional installer from 
Florida. His class was ok, but nothing in depth for anyone that already has 
hands on knowledge of installing PV systems. There was one very troubling 
aspect of their training. They had the inverters and disconnect switches and 
all the associated components of a PV system on the wall with one exception. 
When it came to the combiner, it was clear that the combiner had been removed 
from the wall. Written in pencil was the word “PV combiner”. When asked, the 
instructor had to admit that UL forced him to remove the MidNite solar combiner 
because it was ETL listed, not UL! Almost all the combiners are ETL listed. I 
personally do not think UL is doing anybody a good service by only discussing 
UL listed components. Stick with the experts in training. You all know who they 
are.
Robin GudgelMidnite Solar





On 7/21/2011 6:52 AM, Glenn Burt wrote: 
Don’t you have to be a licensed electrician as part of the prereqs to sit for 
the test?
>Glenn
> 
>From:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org 
>[mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of 
>d...@foxfire-energy.com
>Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 9:46 AM
>To: RE-wrenches
>Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] UL PV certification?
> 
>I took the UL/NFPA class in Atlantic City last spring... thinking it might 
>make another useful tool in the tool box (especially if I could get some kind 
>of recognition from UL).. I was not impressed. The presentation was ambiguous, 
>confusing and sometimes downright misleading. I got more useful information 
>from Bill Nye the Science Guy.. and no certification. Beware the Rabbit Hole.
> 
>db
> 
>
>Dan Brown
>Foxfire Energy Corp.
>Renewable Energy Systems
>(802)-483-2564
>www.Foxfire-Energy.com
>NABCEP #092907-44
> 

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