Nick; I'm not basing this information on my own anecdotal experience, its based on cycle life data from Trojan. This test data is done independently by the BCI (Battery Council International) The T105 gets 750 cycles to 80% DOD, while the L16 only gets 600 cycles to 80%DOD. Obviously, your actual results may vary. We've seen L16s last over 10 years, and several sets die in less than 5 years. I quit selling them, because when you calculate the cost vs the amp hours and cycle life data, they're not the best deal. I think most golf cart batteries that die early aren't watered properly. L16s do have the advantage of holding more water, so I think that might be why folks like yourself beat the test results.
R. Walters r...@solarray.com Solar Engineer On Jun 29, 2010, at 10:04 PM, Nick Soleil wrote: > Really Ray: > Almost all of the L-16s I've installed or serviced, mostly Trojans, > lasted 7-13 years. I have only seen one one bank of L-16s die in 5 years. > On the other other hand, I have seen golf cart batts, such as the T-105s last > 3-7 years, with only a few making it any longer. > > Nick Soleil > Project Manager > Advanced Alternative Energy Solutions, LLC > PO Box 657 > Petaluma, CA 94953 > Cell: 707-321-2937 > Office: 707-789-9537 > Fax: 707-769-9037 > > > From: R Ray Walters <r...@solarray.com> > To: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> > Sent: Tue, June 29, 2010 8:59:15 PM > Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Interstate UL-16 HC problem > > IF those L 16s are much over 5 years old, they could be gone. L16s (of any > brand) have less cycle life than a golf cart battery, just check the charts. > They also don't fair very well long term in float charge. > You can probably EQ them back to life as already mentioned, but then after 6 > months to a couple of years, you'll start seeing dead cells. > The variation in SG is already heading that way. > Do your best now, and make sure the customer knows they should start saving > up for their next battery bank. > > R. Walters > r...@solarray.com > Solar Engineer > > > > > On Jun 29, 2010, at 9:16 PM, Darryl Thayer wrote: > >> That is a tough one to diagnose, but I think you have some sulfation, I have >> used interstates and had reasonable luck. They act more like a traction >> battery than a RE battery. This might be a job for a desulfator or a very >> long slow charge. It takes a long time to get sulfur to leave the plates. >> I charged a set on low EQ rate for over 30+hrs to get the capacity back and >> the SG back up. I would not charge to vigorously as you can loosen plate >> material. >> >> I have not used the ETDA product, but have had success on a long charge. >> >> Darryl >> >> --- On Tue, 6/29/10, Dave Palumbo <d...@independentpowerllc.com> wrote: >> >> From: Dave Palumbo <d...@independentpowerllc.com> >> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Interstate UL-16 HC problem >> To: "'RE-wrenches'" <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> >> Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 7:58 PM >> >> Bob, >> >> >> Sulfation, I’d say. Try EDTA. Trailhead Supply. See Home Power marketplace >> ad for contact info. >> >> If it’s not sulfation then maybe it’s simply diluted electrolyte(accidental, >> or intentional) which would make the batteries have lower performance AH >> wise but should last a long time (plates hold up better in a less acidic >> solution). Years ago I received some Hoppecke lead acid batteries direct >> from Germany to make good on a bad batch of NiCADS. The Hoppecke LA’s >> intentionally have a max SG of 1.240. Very big cells (330lbs for a 2v cell) >> and evidently have a very long life, as I am using them still in my >> barn/shop 16 years later and they act like new despite a pathetically low >> charge rate. These cells are rated at 2,000 AH @ 100h rate. I am charging >> them with 35 amps of PV with the occasional 75 amp charge when the gen is on. >> >> >> I have never heard much good said concerning Interstate deep cycle batteries. >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org >> [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of bob >> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 6:53 AM >> To: 'RE-wrenches' >> Subject: [RE-wrenches] Interstate UL-16 HC problem >> >> >> I have 2 systems that I am trying to correct that another local dealer has >> installed. >> >> This one is 2 strings of (8) UL-16 HC Interstate Batteries, 16 batteries >> total. >> >> We cannot get the batteries to charge over 1.225 despite discharging them >> and generator charging them till everything shut down. >> >> This is a 48 volt system with a Magnum 4448 inverter. >> >> He also has (6) 175 watt Solar World panels on a manual tracker. (spends all >> day tracking the sun) He is adding 2 more this summer. The controller is an >> MX-60. >> >> I have moved the Magnums settings to 1600 AH battery bank size to allow for >> the inverter to have a longer absorb time to help it finish charging and get >> to a full battery. >> >> It’s not working; we have 1 cell at 1.240 and the rest at 1.225. >> >> >> These have not been cycled hard if at all, I am going to suggest that he >> cycle them several more times to see if anything improves after that >> >> >> The other system has the same problem with a different inverter! So it’s not >> inverter related, but I am at a loss. >> >> I have not used Interstates before and want to stay away from them in the >> future. >> >> >> Any other suggestions? >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bob Ellison >> >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> List sponsored by Home Power magazine >> >> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >> >> Options & settings: >> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >> >> List-Archive: >> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >> >> List rules & etiquette: >> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm >> >> Check out participant bios: >> www.members.re-wrenches.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> List sponsored by Home Power magazine >> >> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >> >> Options & settings: >> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >> >> List-Archive: >> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >> >> List rules & etiquette: >> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm >> >> Check out participant bios: >> www.members.re-wrenches.org >> > > > _______________________________________________ > List sponsored by Home Power magazine > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Options & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org >
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