Joel,
Your link has nothing to do with the kWh performance warranties being discussed, so I'm confused. The warranty referenced simply says that "The insurers will indemnify for any reduction in power loss from CNPV's warranted, 90% guaranteed energy output in the first 10 years and 80% in the following 15 years. Additionally the insurance also covers expenses which might become necessary when recovering the formerly certified energy output." That's a standard module performance warranty, with the indemnification being based on whether it meets 80/90% of  nameplate rating; it has nothing to do with overall guaranteed system performance.
What am I missing here?
Allan

Allan Sindelar
Allan@positiveenergysolar.com
NABCEP Certified Photovoltaic Installer
EE98J Journeyman Electrician
Positive Energy, Inc.
3201 Calle Marie
Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507
505 424-1112
www.positiveenergysolar.com



Joel Davidson wrote:
kW and/or kWh performance warranties are what some customers want and are willing to pay for and what some PV companies provide successfully. Many wrenches guarantee their systems' DC and even AC nameplate rating. For several years PowerLight, now owned by SunPower, entered into kWh contracts with its customers. Their success was based on good system design, performance modeling, installation, monitoring, and service. I observed (not insider information) their systems performing 4% to 6% better than PVWatts estimates. Basically, they did what all smart contractors do: under-promise and over-deliver.
 
 
Small companies can provide the same customer confidence without performance warranties. Give your prospective customer a list of satisfied customers who have been monitoring their systems. Let your customers tell your prospects that your systems deliver what you promised (estimated). Then tell your prospect that they can save money by not buying a performance warranty.
 
Joel Davidson
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Yago
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Volcanos, reduced solar production and kWh performance warranties

I would never contract for a guarantee minimum performance for a very simple reason - weather!
 
I think the only reasonable guarantee is to state the "nameplate" output of the array provided under test conditions, and make it clear that  air temperature, clearness factor, dust, cloud cover, and out of tolerance utility grid events will all reduce system performance from this perfect lab value.  Since you cannot control any of these affects on system performance, there has to be a reasonable expectation of system performance for you and your client. 
 
Why do doctors and hospitals have you sign a disclaimer before they render service?  How about accountants, mechanics, engineers, stock brokers, and dentists,   Yes, you can sue for gross negelence, but how many will sign a statement that guarantees their work will have a specific outcome.  Odds are, the small print in the document you sign will point out that there are too many unknowns beyond their control that could reduce the hoped for outcome and if you want a guarantee, -  buy life insurance - you die - they pay -guaranteed.
 
Jeff Yago
  

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