Hi James,
Yes – I just checked the files I generated for the ph4 definitions and they 
definitely do not have the tautomer recognition (guess I am just not SMART 
enough for this ;-). I will follow up with Greg and see how quickly we can get 
the fdef file as a contribution so people can start to add/delete/change things 
in there.
I believe someone also mentioned that there might be better / other SMARTS 
definitions for ph4 properties around. A pointer to those would be appreciated 
on my end so maybe I can compare a bit before release?
Cheers
Nik


From: James Davidson <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 07:47:38 +0100
To: 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: [Rdkit-discuss] fdef files

Dear All,

At the UGM I promised to send a reminder (mainly for Greg, but possibly also 
Nik?) about the potential use of two fdef files – one with and one without 
explicit hydrogens.  During the demo of the PyMOL interactivity with 3D ligand 
+ pharmacophoric features (showfeats.py script), it was clear that explicitly 
‘protonated’ nitrogens (eg in a specific tautomer of pyrrazole) were being 
flagged as possible hydrogen-bond acceptors, as well as donors, due to the fdef 
being used recognising the potential for a 1,2-H shift.  I made the comment at 
the time that in cases where the molecule had hydrogens specifically added 
(perhaps a docking result), then it would probably be best to flag ‘specific’ 
rather than ‘potential’ Ph4 features – hence the use of separate fdef files.

My recollection (from Nik?) was that this was perhaps already the case in NIBR 
user of RDKit(?)

Kind regards

James

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